Lol exactly what you think you’ll accomplish this line of reasoning? That you’ll convince people harris is the best option for their vote? You wont.
That entire list is better dealt at congressional and local levels of the ballot, and is entirely unrelated to the presidential ticket. Stop wasting your breath on a failed argument. Also are you sure you’re responding to the correct person? Im well aware America has/is borderline fascist.
I’m trying to explain to Dem voters that their moral high ground and calling everyone a Nazi will lead Republican voters to entrench in views pushed by far right even if they didn’t hold them before. Dem voters are supposed to be the smart ones so they should understand that, right?
So you’re arguing with a leftist to convince liberals that they’re assholes? 😵💫. I mean I already knew this, but okay. Not particularly interested in discussing the million ways trump is horrible.
Im more interested in making sure harris campaign is as rough and hard as possible because her positions are absolutely atrocious and we as voters need to leverage the conditions of our local voting environments effectively by voting strategically against her without risking trump.
Yeah, that’s what I’m warning you about. This approach has been tried. Whatever happens, it was already decided because you’re not going to course correct at eleventh hour and root cause of general discontent is much deeper than you want to admit.
If you lose you’ll go into democratic resistance, fight every single thing Trump does. By second or third year regular people notice that not much is changing in their lives and then you lose all of your steam. When actual bad stuff happens nobody cares.
Then in a couple of terms people will get tired of the right, vote for the libs and then you realise that those Dems have adopted lots of stuff Republicans did because that was the only way to get back into power. And that it was always about power. I’ll be there to say „told you so”.
Of course its been tried. There isnt a problem with it. Its Harris’ problem to deal with. I assure you the states people should do this in are not going trump no matter what those of us in those states do. (Think cali,ny level 25+ dem leans)
I dont particularly care if dems adopt right wing stuff, i dont really want to vote for them either. In the meantime ill continue trying to build in my state.
None of the right wing things she’s adopted worry me. I don’t mind border policies if they’re done humanely, and im generally pro gun.
Bigger problem is lack of labor reforms. Shrug but neither party adopts those minus in primaries and those are more congressional issues than a presidential platform
This is not up to Harris or politicians to fix, they are not capable of getting people out of this. They will just let you down in new and innovative ways. You talk about the changes they are doing now but I was talking the changes that they’ll need to get reelected in the future - it will be grim and similar to what’s happening all over Europe. Centrist liberal parties are becoming indistinguishable from parties they lost power to (Labour in UK, Renaissance in France, Civic Platform in Poland). It will discourage even more people from participating in politics.
People need to get out in front before it happens to minimise the damage. This means more respect towards people we don’t agree with and that unfortunately includes less poo slinging at bigots. This also means less involvement in treating symptoms because it depletes our capacity for change („orphan-crushing machine”).
yes, hence my efforts on ranked choice in my state. regardless the choices they make in the future are their choices.
the fact is the DNC ran an incredibly unpopular candidate via harris. a candidate who has decided she’d run with the albatross around her neck that is unconditional support for israel and no pro labor policies and in fact has decided to not commit to keeping the most friendly labor FTC head in a generation. thats harris’ problem; A proper primary would have resolved this issues if biden has gotten out of his own way and stayed committed to his 1 term statement in 2020 (yes I know he retroactively walked it back).
atm all harris has is ‘not trump’ and abortion access, access that is already protected in most states that are not deep deep red. And while I’d love for them to be enshrined, its apparently may not be enough for voters in swing states. 🤷 .
I’m crossing my fingers for the swing states but given what I’m seeing doesn’t look promising. its too bad everyone was too focused on attacking people for pointing out harris’ weak points instead of pressuring harris and their congressional reps to switch positions. 🤷
Lol exactly what you think you’ll accomplish this line of reasoning? That you’ll convince people harris is the best option for their vote? You wont.
That entire list is better dealt at congressional and local levels of the ballot, and is entirely unrelated to the presidential ticket. Stop wasting your breath on a failed argument. Also are you sure you’re responding to the correct person? Im well aware America has/is borderline fascist.
I’m trying to explain to Dem voters that their moral high ground and calling everyone a Nazi will lead Republican voters to entrench in views pushed by far right even if they didn’t hold them before. Dem voters are supposed to be the smart ones so they should understand that, right?
So you’re arguing with a leftist to convince liberals that they’re assholes? 😵💫. I mean I already knew this, but okay. Not particularly interested in discussing the million ways trump is horrible.
Im more interested in making sure harris campaign is as rough and hard as possible because her positions are absolutely atrocious and we as voters need to leverage the conditions of our local voting environments effectively by voting strategically against her without risking trump.
Yeah, that’s what I’m warning you about. This approach has been tried. Whatever happens, it was already decided because you’re not going to course correct at eleventh hour and root cause of general discontent is much deeper than you want to admit.
If you lose you’ll go into democratic resistance, fight every single thing Trump does. By second or third year regular people notice that not much is changing in their lives and then you lose all of your steam. When actual bad stuff happens nobody cares.
Then in a couple of terms people will get tired of the right, vote for the libs and then you realise that those Dems have adopted lots of stuff Republicans did because that was the only way to get back into power. And that it was always about power. I’ll be there to say „told you so”.
Of course its been tried. There isnt a problem with it. Its Harris’ problem to deal with. I assure you the states people should do this in are not going trump no matter what those of us in those states do. (Think cali,ny level 25+ dem leans)
I dont particularly care if dems adopt right wing stuff, i dont really want to vote for them either. In the meantime ill continue trying to build in my state.
None of the right wing things she’s adopted worry me. I don’t mind border policies if they’re done humanely, and im generally pro gun.
Bigger problem is lack of labor reforms. Shrug but neither party adopts those minus in primaries and those are more congressional issues than a presidential platform
This is not up to Harris or politicians to fix, they are not capable of getting people out of this. They will just let you down in new and innovative ways. You talk about the changes they are doing now but I was talking the changes that they’ll need to get reelected in the future - it will be grim and similar to what’s happening all over Europe. Centrist liberal parties are becoming indistinguishable from parties they lost power to (Labour in UK, Renaissance in France, Civic Platform in Poland). It will discourage even more people from participating in politics.
People need to get out in front before it happens to minimise the damage. This means more respect towards people we don’t agree with and that unfortunately includes less poo slinging at bigots. This also means less involvement in treating symptoms because it depletes our capacity for change („orphan-crushing machine”).
yes, hence my efforts on ranked choice in my state. regardless the choices they make in the future are their choices.
the fact is the DNC ran an incredibly unpopular candidate via harris. a candidate who has decided she’d run with the albatross around her neck that is unconditional support for israel and no pro labor policies and in fact has decided to not commit to keeping the most friendly labor FTC head in a generation. thats harris’ problem; A proper primary would have resolved this issues if biden has gotten out of his own way and stayed committed to his 1 term statement in 2020 (yes I know he retroactively walked it back).
atm all harris has is ‘not trump’ and abortion access, access that is already protected in most states that are not deep deep red. And while I’d love for them to be enshrined, its apparently may not be enough for voters in swing states. 🤷 .
I’m crossing my fingers for the swing states but given what I’m seeing doesn’t look promising. its too bad everyone was too focused on attacking people for pointing out harris’ weak points instead of pressuring harris and their congressional reps to switch positions. 🤷