• FooBarrington@lemmy.world
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    3 hours ago

    “Utopia” doesn’t mean everyone gets what they want. People can want things to be worse while still living in a Utopia.

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      2 hours ago

      I agree with your more sensible definition but it is a slippery concept.

      It’s a bit ambiguous what it means to say:

      unless it’s Utopia for everyone

      Is it Utopia “for” someone if it isn’t their idea of Utopia? Seems like you are saying yes.

      But if yes, then as long as current conditions meet anyone’s definition of utopia, then we’re all living in one.

      Which brings us back to the OP.

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        But if yes, then as long as current conditions meet anyone’s definition of utopia, then we’re all living in one.

        No, Utopia has a defined set of meanings. If current conditions meet someone’s definition of Utopia, but doesn’t meet the defined set of meanings, it doesn’t mean current conditions are Utopia.