The Israeli rescue service Zaka says its paramedics removed more than 260 bodies from a music festival that came under attack by Hamas militants.

The total figure of bodies found is expected to be higher, as other paramedic teams were also working in the area and Zaka added that the bodies “haven’t all been collected yet”.

Early on Saturday morning, Hamas targeted Nova music festival, a techno rave in the desert near the border with Gaza.

Videos shared on social media and by Israeli news outlets showed dozens of festival-goers running through an open field as gunshots rang out. Many hid in nearby fruit orchards or were gunned down as they fled.

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    1 year ago

    The chart shows military might. It doesn’t show intent. It doesn’t show who tried to avoid bloodshed. It doesn’t show who ignited conflict after conflict.

    A similar chart showing civilian deaths in WWII would show the US killed way more Nazi civilians than vice versa. Would you be arguing that the US was the bad guy in that war?

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      I mean, if you were a german civilian… or just someone who spoke a language that Sgt Fred from Wisconsin didn’t speak, you probably would.

      What you are touching on is what is generally referred to as the myth of the “good war”. Knowing what we did in the late 40s and early 50s? it is pretty hard to argue that WW2 was not a “good war” as far as the Allies are concerned. Germany and Japan (I am not as familiar with what Italy was doing, but…) were committing truly evil atrocities and ethnic cleansing.

      But… the US literally put Japanese and Chinese and Korean people in concentration camps. And there is a reason that The Jews (and the Romani and The Gays and so forth) were fleeing Europe en masse and nobody really cared about the rumors we were hearing out of Germany until we found the concentration camps… and then why there was so much struggle over who would take the refugees.

      And that also ignores the horrific brutality and violence (often sexual) against the civilians as the various armies moved through. And it is important to realize that the vast majority of soldiers, on all sides, weren’t all that good at telling the difference between Belgian, Dutch, German, or even French civillians. As though the German civilians deserved the violence unleashed upon them.

      Same with the Pacific theatre where there are a lot of stories about how the Americans and Russians were just as bad as the Japanese because they assumed anyone with “jap eyes” were the enemy. My grandmother (she might have been my great grandmother… it is complicated) would always talk about how she was thankful that the Americans rescued her from the Japanese… and that the Americans are the ones who burned her entire village to the ground and executed everyone who hadn’t been taken by the Japanese.

      So yeah. I personally consider The Allies to be “the good guys” in WW2. I am under no illusions that we didn’t cause horrific suffering in the process. It is just that we found a good reason, after the fact, as to why we were a net positive.

      Which… if we were even slightly competent would be how Iraq/Afghanistan went. We invaded under completely false premises but also liberated a people from a brutal regime. It is just that we also didn’t want to commit to any long term humanitarian or rebuilding work so… we mostly just stayed in a holding pattern where everyone understood that we were going to pull out with almost no notice and any government or military forces we were backing would be wiped out within a day or two. Which… is exactly what happened.

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        1 year ago

        Interesting you say that. In the Israel Palestine conflict, Israel was set up with the blessing of the international community and the sovereign powers that controlled the land at the time.

        It was the surrounding Arab Nations that tried to invade and destroy Israel.

        It was Israel’s COUNTER attack that created the occupied territories.

        But the Palestinian refugee crisis would not have happened but for the aggression of Israel’s neighbors.

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          Set up with the blessing 😂

          They got plonked into Palestine and told they could have it, by countries who weren’t anywhere near

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            That’s a stretch

            Extremists of both religions were fighting to take the territory, the jewish ones coming out on top and a lot of innocents caught in between