I don’t understand how Lemmy.world developers managed to surpass both Lemmy.ml and Beehaw.org instances in user activity.
Lemmy.ml actively asked people to sign up elsewhere. They have a small server and aren’t meant to be a general instance.
Lemmy.world is run by people who have one of the larger Mastodon servers, and actively advertises to be open and neutral.
It’s also the devs server and they have Lemmy code to write. Can’t be spending time moderating.
And the other stuff
It’s also presented as the default on most apps, I believe
That’s a big one. People tend to go with the default
That’s why the apps on the official stores are so important. Convenience wins.
Rule of the defaults. Most people use whatever the default is. That’s why there is always a push to he the default thing. Microsoft pushes edge on their stuff, Google pushes chrome, apps pushes safari, etc.
That’s also why Google pays Apple $20 billion annually to be Safari’s default search engine. Most people can’t be bothered to change their defaults/don’t want to after having it as their default for so long.
That’s a problem that will reveal itself later. Decentralization goes away when everyone flocks to one server. Turns into Reddit 2.0
I’m not sure whether the issues plaguing Reddit really apply to lemmy, even with a single instance being disproportionately larger than the others, which makes “Reddit 2.0” a bit less derogatory to me. Reddit’s moderator tools were severely lacking for the required output (federation helps diffuse communities, and lemmy doesn’t encourage bots to swarm in order to increase apparent user numbers for investor satisfaction), every big anti-hate decision required a media spectacle to precede it (admins here aren’t free speech absolutists with authoritarian hard-ons), and staff retention at Reddit is an odd loop of promotion into managerial obsolescence which severely increases overhead (irrelevant to lemmy). Reddit 2.0 wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world to me.
This is the correct answer. The devs have been saying this for years but new users often weren’t aware of this and saw it as the default instance. It’s good to see that’s changed.
They’re not neutral though. They’ve already started defederating instances with users whose opinions they don’t like.
Well I said they advertise, not that they are.
Why did I create a Lemmy world account as opposed to beehaw or ml? Because it’s the first one I saw. Because it doesn’t matter. Because I don’t know what ml stands for. Because Lenny world said “general use.” Because I didn’t have to fill out an application. Because I can still interact with everything else, and again, it doesn’t matter.
And ml is?
the national tld for Mali, but the lemmy ml owners chose it for a “Marxist-Leninist” reference. no kidding.
fun fact - they* also deny genocides committed by (even nominally) communist regimes.
*a lot of them, and even those who don’t actively, still stick with the goons who do.
Oh dear, and I thought it was somehow related to machine learning/AI stuff
Do you have a source for that?
The real answer here in the comments. Glad I went with world. Though I only did it because it seemed like more people would gravitate toward thag name than the others.
That’s awesome. I am also a Communist that denies genocides. I guess I better pop on over to lemmy.ml
The top level domain of the Metherlands
Motherland if I’m not mistaken.
Seconded
I joined because lemmy.sdf.org is often inaccessible. And also because lemmy.sdf.org blocked lemmy.world, so why not go straight to the source?
The developer for RIF told me to come here. I figured that I should trust the person that created the app that I’ve used for hundreds of hours.
Same. Like the parent of a child grown up, RIF has been forced to let us go, but not without influencing our direction lol
My exact reason. Had the popup show.
Then I created my own instance
Regardless of the how, I think it’s really cool that the top instance isn’t run by the devs. Really shows off the power and appeal of decentralized services.
I think most of it has to do with that lemmy.world has better hardware than other instances. The admin Rudd has a lot of experience running federated services as well. So it may be his first rodeo lemmy-wise but not hosting a federated service with a large user-base.
So when a lot of smaller instances started getting overwhelmed and stopping signups, lemmy.world was going strong without the performance issues that other instances might see.
That along with the fact that NSFW content is allowed makes lemmy.world a good alternative for Reddit refugees looking for something stable with a similar set of rules as well.
I myself joined lemmy.ml at first, then beehaw.org when lemmy.ml asked everyone to spread out, and finally found home on lemmy.world because I didn’t really like how downvotes are disabled on beehaw. Not to mention the defederation that beehaw has done recently. Although I can understand and appreciate why they’ve done that.
I’ve signed up for a bunch of them and still haven’t decided where I want to make my main. I know that annoys some people but I love it because it means I get to have a choice! I think I’ll have a Lemmy world account since they’re big, buti also want to find a good smaller community to have slower more meaningful conversations. I hope the Lemmy protocol adds support for account linking some day.
I’ve signed up for a bunch of them and still haven’t decided where I want to make my main.
Same story for me, although I keep coming back to Lemmy.world in the first instance, at least for the Lemmy instances (also explored kbin, tildes and squabbles). Mixed feelings about Lemmy.ml as I think there’s virtue being on the instance the devs run as it seems unlikely to go away, although there has been the talks around political views. From the political side, I do hang out more often than not in tech spaces though so I doubt it’d actually impact anything I’d want to engage in discussion about.
Also have an account with Beehaw which was my first but silly as it may seem, the name of that one puts me off a bit. “Lemmy.world” sounds like something I can more easily communicate to a friend verbally, for whatever that is worth.
Indeed. Even though I’m using the Lemmy.ca instance to distribute the load, I use Ruud’s Mastodon instance.
Beehaw defederates like it’s going out of style, Lemmy.ml doesn’t allow criticism of the CCP. Lemmy.world seems much more stable and neutral.
Alright guys the software has this defederate feature, now you do you but I suggest thinking of it like a break-glass-in-ca–
<Beehaw swings hammer>
When I was joining ~a month ago the situation was very different
I tried lemmy.one - had some issues joining
I saw beehaw.org - no downvotes - not my jam
I saw lemmygrad.ml - too political for my tastes
I saw sopuli.xyz - most of local posts and server maintenance posts were in language I don’t speak - maybe I can find something fitting me more?
I saw lemmy.world - small but not looking like private, in Europe, so pings should be ok and description seemed fine
I also saw lemmy.ml - seemed like the main instance with the most users - having some understanding of federation from Mastodon migration I decided to spread the load…And here we are :D
As someone signing up for lemmy.world, my reasons were:
- It sounds official or at least less obscure than “.ml” or “sh.itjust.works”
- It sounded inclusive (we’re all part of the world, so to speak)
- It was in the list of default instances of Connect for Lemmy
Otherwise, I didn’t give much though to which instance to pick.
Someone posted it, maybe in r/piracy, and I signed up. Didn’t give any thought to which instance I was signing up for because I didn’t understand the fediverse well enough yet lol.
Same - sounds better, like .com vs .io and similar.
I signed up on the 12th, after spending a little time comparing with the information I had. My thought process was:
- I was uncomfortable with the fact that .ml was hosted in Malaysia
- I thought a larger instance might mean it sticks around longer, but didn’t really want to be on the largest (which .ml was)
- Beehaw seemed otherwise a good fit, but their policies seemed too restrictive
- .world seemed to have liberal policies, allowed NSFW, was large but not largest, and was hosted in a country that didn’t worry me
I was uncomfortable with the fact that .ml was hosted in Malaysia
Not to discount your other points, but lemmy.ml isn’t hosted in Malaysia. The .ml TLD is for Mali, a country in Africa. And the site is hosted by OVH, on servers in France.
Wow, thanks for that, I really thought .ml was Malaysia. While I had some mild concerns about Malaysia, isn’t Mali a shit show as far as human rights? If the servers are in France, that mitigates a lot, but I think I have more concerns about Mali.
Ya. I’m pretty sure they just took .ml because it was a cheaper domain, but someone’ll have to correct me on that.
Mali has nothing to do with the instance though. Every country has a top level domain, like .CA or .UK etc. Most of them you have to pay to make a website using the domain. Mali is one country that lets anybody use the ML domain for free. That’s the only reason Lemmy.ml uses it, they have nothing to do with Mali else-wise. (Well there is the bit about ML = Marxist Leninist, but that is a bit of a backronym.)
For me ML stands for Machine Learning. Mali is sitting on a goldmine of a tld, and could turn into Tuvalu
The country of Mali has little to do with lemmy.ml, apart from an annual transaction worth 10 USD.
The admins of .ml are tankies. The letters don’t reference a place, they reference a couple of communist leaders who the admins are fans of. I’m surprised that more people aren’t aware of that on this platform.
It’s intended to stand for Marxist - Leninist, is what I heard. I didn’t want to support a tankie thing which is why I went to world.
I don’t think it stands for either, I saw somewhere that it stands for Marx-Lenin since the founders are communists
Would you feel better if they were communists and chose something completely neutral instead, like .io?
That’s such an arbitrary thing to be concerned about
I’m not implying anything, I’m just stating a fact (or at least what I think is a fact)
This is pretty much the same thought pattern I had, however I made my account here after Beehaw defederated and have since decided not to use it anymore. Lemmy.world reminds me so much of the older style internet and forums and it’s a breath of fresh air.
I love how World and Blahaj are lgbt friendly and anti authoritarianism, unlike .ml.
Can I ask what worries you about it being hosted on Malaysia?
I’m not any authority, and I could be just ignorant, but my understanding is that the Malaysian government makes liberal use of laws against sedition and that govern communication to silence dissent. There was an artist who has been jailed a couple times this year for political satire. That kind of atmosphere doesn’t seem like a good place to host communities that want free discussion.
Malaysian police are also asking Interpol to help them investigate a comedian in New York over a joke she made about Malaysia. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-65894721
That’s a pretty valid reason, I’ll have to look into it more as I already created an account on .ml. While I do call myself an anarchist/communist, I don’t zealously jump at the defense of a government without nuancing the situation.
It’s decidedly not hosted in malaysia. I’m also unclear why that would be a problem though.
Probably because its name sounds official and it allows quick registration while others need approval (some never approves you).
Turns out it’s the right choice as the admin seems very active in updates and fixes. Lemmy.world also has a more chill homey vibes. At least that’s what I observed so far.
I went for the most generic “official” sounding name.
Underrated comment. I picked it because I had no idea what I was doing and it sounded all-encompassing and I wanted access to everything. I didn’t even know what an instance was. I just picked it because it sounded like a good guess to get access to all of Lemmy.
Yeah same. But from .world we’re able to access all the other instances right?
Well, not beehaw right now.
I was overwhelmed by the options of instances. Then Reddit is Fun had a pop up message suggesting to go to lemmy.world. I trusted Reddit is Fun so I followed its suggestion.
I open today rif accidently and it started to work again. Logged out mind you. Got a weird message with instructions to log back into my Reddit account. Was able to browse Reddit as a guest on the meanwhile. Didn’t want to log back in as fuck Reddit.
Did rif sell to Reddit? Couldn’t blame him if he did but all the same I am leaving. Just can’t see how rif would still work without Reddit owning his servers. Anyone know what is going on?
Reddit wasn’t interested in buying any of the 3rd party apps. Since you know, apparently they’re so great at making apps that there were a dozen third party ones that people preferred.
I don’t know, but it might be that Reddit is only limiting API keys for authenticated sessions. That way the anonymous requests still work up to the free API rate limits.
Rif sent me to lemmy.world to make an account. Didnt know the deal here and still kinda iffy but im getting the idea.
Lemmy.ml had sign ups closed. Behaw required a short story or something to get accepted. Lemmy.world was accepting sign-ups wasn’t hosted somewhere shady and had active communities. It was a pretty easy choice. Assuming the admins have a pledge drive or something to host on AWS/GCP so we can get better burst capabilities I’d love to donate.
Donations to keep the lemmy.world instance up-and-running can be made through:
https://opencollective.com/mastodonworld or https://patreon.com/mastodonworld
@ruud does good work, and he’s a HELL of a good admin. I’d recommend that we all contribute in order to have a place to gather. I’ve been looking at the various solutions to the Reddit conundrum and, personally, I think that lemmy.world is our best bet at this point…
EDIT: I have no affiliation; I just think that we should pay it back however we can. It costs money to run servers and, even if we just “buy him a coffee,” every little bit helps IMO.
@Ruud has been great and Lemmy.world has very transparent so I will throw some cash their way. The mastodon.world blog is transparent with costs and financials which I appreciate.
I would love to see if they have a roadmap of how they plan to address the current surge of traffic or if they plan to just wait it out with their current VPS.
@Ruud has been great and Lemmy.world has very transparent so I will throw some cash their way. The mastodon.world blog is transparent with costs and financials which I appreciate.
I would love to see if they have a roadmap of how they plan to address the current surge of traffic or if they plan to just wait it out with their current VPS.
Lemmy.ml are tankies anyway so, good
