Learning from history is about more than just lip service,” he added, in what appeared to be a reference to the Nazi dictatorship, which made race ideology, ostracism and the deportation of Jews, Roma and Sinti, gay people and many others the cornerstone of its politics. Scholz continued: “Democrats must stand together.”
I love being an immigrant in Germany. I’m white and not Ukrainian though, so my experience is mostly Germans telling me that this would never apply to me, then spending on average two hours a month to stay legal here, even though I’m fluent in German, pursuing a master’s degree in German language education, and married to a German. It’s honestly not a lot of time, but it’s constant. Then, if I ever fuck up, I get deported.
Hell I’m a naturalised German citizen. I was born in another country and moved here as a teen. I’m white (not that it should even matter). I studied here. I work here. I speak German fluently with a slight accent. And now they’re talking about deporting naturalised citizens if they don’t fit whatever definition of being german they have. I’m also queer. So I guess I wouldn’t really fit their definition of the traditional German male so I’d better start packing my bags to move to North Africa where they planned a camp for us.
If you’re deeply afraid of the AfD ever rising to power I’d say you fit right in as a proper German.
Yeah, exactly. I love Germany, but I don’t think it loves me back.
Seems like it’s just AfD. Don’t be discouraged. Rightwing voices are on the rise all over the western world and we have to fight back.
That’s what I thought until this year. I saw a different survey around the election that I’m looking for, but only 27% of Germans think that Germany is stronger because of immigration.
I hear you, but that’s no different than the rest of the western world, though. You’ll see the same tendencies in Scandinavia and in southern Europe. That doesn’t necessarily mean hate or racism toward immigrants. In fact, many of these countries, including Germany, are actually very progressive and including in general. But it is something to be aware of and stand up against.
That’s terrifying as an immigrant though, that 77% of the citizens around me wish I weren’t here. I don’t see how it would take too much in that case for the laws to change surrounding immigration to change drastically.
I’m not trying to sound ungrateful, but I also don’t see my presence as a burden. I don’t know why the majority of Germans disagree.
I’m an immigrant in my country, too. I don’t really care too much about what people think about my presence. I just work to make a living, contribute to society, and vote for people who want me here.
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Well, I don’t remember the exact numbers from last time I checked, but on this side of the Atlantic it’s a lot higher.
When a guy with a German or Italian surname in NA says “no immigrants” (which they occasionally do) they tend to get rightfully made fun of. The only guys that aren’t from immigrant backgrounds are too busy just surviving to comment. All of that has “moved the needle” a bit.
I’m white and not Ukrainian though, so my experience is mostly Germans telling me that this would never apply to me,
Which, of course, is fucked up on it’s own.
Then you must be doing something wrong. I’m married to a woman from a non EU country. We had to get her residence permit renewed every few years until she got permanent residence. Overall we’ve had very little hassle after the initial bureaucratic marathon was done. What do you have to do every month?
I’m not sure how you intended your first line, but it bristles a bit. Especially given that my comment started off explaining that Germans tend to dismiss the difficulties of immigration.
Things are very different city to city (as your wife is probably aware if she has any immigrants as friends), and the differences aren’t what you’d think. I have a couple of Arab friends in Halle, who get two year visas in the middle of their studies that basically get rubber stamp approved. Köln, on the other hand can be awful in terms of bureaucracy. I’m in a big college town, so a lot of international students live here and the office is totally overloaded (the university is not new, they should have hired more people in the fifties and kept up with immigration), but unlike Berlin, they are less likely to grant you residence because of that.
I’m still waiting on permanent residence, ideally it will be easier after that. I have to visit or call the Ausländeramt multiple times to make sure that they actually process my renewals (which they do for only a semester at a time because of Uni), including reassembling documents (bank statements, insurance, school status) for them every six months. They can’t give me permanent residence yet, because they fucked up the paperwork on our marriage license, listing me incorrectly, so they have to reprocess things. I assume they’ll forget until I remind them again at least twice, and then there will be at least one more fuckup before things get pushed through.
My point was that once you are married to a German citizen you are entitled to getting residence. Of course getting that pushed through can be a huge pain in the ass, I’m in no way denying that. But once the process is done you should be fine.
I’m currently entitled to residency, but the AfD got more votes than the left did where I live. Even SPD is getting shitty about immigrants. I’m not certain that it will actually go through before the government changes and I have to jump through different hoops to get it.
I’d love to have your trust, but I’ve been an immigrant for years and married for months, so I dealt with the ausländeramt alone for much of that time and I’ve seen how much they fuck up (again, they’re overworked, it’s the city’s fault). If in five years I’m still in Germany with no significant issues (and my students’ stories get a lot more hopeful), I’ll start to believe that permanent means permanent.
Good luck bro. I really didn’t want to minimize the struggles of immigrants here, which I’m very aware of. And I hope all Nazis get testicle cancer.
Thanks. You’re good! I actually realized during this exchange that the disconnect is probably because you grew up in a functional country that didn’t tell you you had rights, while showing you that you didn’t.
Quite so. Germans like to endlessly gripe about Germany, but if you go to almost any other place you realize that this is definitely one of the better places to be in.
Goddamned fascists
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The far-right meeting, involving members of the AfD, the head of the Identitarian Movement and neo-Nazi activists, took place last November at a countryside hotel on the outskirts of Potsdam.
According to the investigative outlet Correctiv, which first reported the story, the concept of “re-migration” – the forceful return of migrants, allegedly including those with German citizenship, to their countries of origin through mass deportations – dominated the discussions.
“Learning from history is about more than just lip service,” he added, in what appeared to be a reference to the Nazi dictatorship, which made race ideology, ostracism and the deportation of Jews, Roma and Sinti, gay people and many others the cornerstone of its politics.
The AfD, buoyed in part by discontent over immigration, is polling in first place in all five of Germany’s eastern states, three of which are expected to hold elections later this year.
The AfD members were meeting Martin Sellner, a key figure in the pan-European “New Right” who, in 2019, was permanently barred from entering the UK because of his extremist views.
As news of the meeting sparked outrage across Germany, Maximilian Krah, the AfD’s lead candidate for the European parliament elections in June, vowed to address the large number of migrants who had arrived in the country in 2022, more than 40% of whom were reportedly from Ukraine.
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