• vegai@suppo.fi
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    1 year ago

    It sounds like you don’t like Nazis.

    Nazis might just be the only distinctive group of humans I have never met that I hate. The feeling is quite a lot stronger than against communists which is more like a practical worry. Communists are (often) fine as people I think, they just think very wrongly and want to guide societies into harmful directions. Nazis in comparison are usually very fucked as individuals, even though some turn back from it.

    Yet you support Ukraine. How does that work? How do you manage the contradiction in your mind?

    This works trivially in the way that Ukraine is not a nazi country and therefore there is no contradiction.

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      This works trivially in the way that Ukraine is not a nazi country and therefore there is no contradiction.

      I believe you’re operating under a misapprehension there. The current state is based on a Nazi led coup and has long ago suspended democracy, banned and imprisoned opposition and engaged in all manner of oppression of minorities. Historically Ukraine

      This was well publicised in the media before 2014 when the Obama regime’s coup overthrew Ukraine’s sovereignty and illegally emplaced a puppet government. The Rada rejected the appointment but the US ingored that and appointed Yatsenyuk anyway.

      It’s understandable that you don’t know this because we’re all saturated in extreme levels of propaganda from a media in fear of being Assanged.

      Yes, it is unfortunate. A lot of people believe the news these days and think they’re getting the full picture. Those of us who had heard of Ukraine before the coup and invasion remember the truth about Ukraine. I’m sorry to have to break this to you but you’ve been lied to and manipulated by the media throughout this war. If you’re not already aware of Ukraine’s Nazi problem then this is going to shock you.

      https://i.imgur.com/tlbFzIp.jpg

      https://i.imgur.com/9sYuN9X.jpg

      https://i.imgur.com/UXUoRvF.png

      https://i.imgur.com/lJ3XSl1.jpg

      https://i.imgur.com/1Nv5sHF.jpg

      https://i.imgur.com/VsYOKRS.jpg

      https://i.imgur.com/vN5GKut.png

      https://i.imgur.com/NI9TTUq.jpg

      https://i.imgur.com/VsuaFHm.jpg

      https://i.imgur.com/u2IwOV0.jpg

      https://i.imgur.com/jvvcg82.jpg

      https://i.imgur.com/Vsl3L6C.jpg

      I understand this is all coming as a shock to you and you’re going to be angry, just make sure that anger is directed at the right place. Don’t shoot the messenger. You should be angry at the people who lied to you about all this.

      I have a lot more information if you’d like.

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          In what way is any of this pro-Russia? Is reality pro-Russian? It’s just anti-Nazi. I thought you didn’t like Nazis?

          That article looks broken, it just stops here:

          What is the Azov movement?

          The West’s Azov obsession and the inability to properly understand the overall phenomenon has even led to the spread of damaging anti-Ukraine propaganda in the media.

          Certainly, the Azov movement is a dangerous key player of the transnational extreme right.

          That’s it. Maybe you have another link?

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            In what way is any of this pro-Russia? Is reality pro-Russian? It’s just anti-Nazi. I thought you didn’t like Nazis?

            No, I’m saying that what you are spreading here is pro-Russian propaganda and not actually reality. The purpose of that propaganda seems to be to muddy the waters around the actual issue: Russian aggression on a sovereign nation.

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              But this is a defensive operation? How is it aggression? This is American propaganda you’re repeating. Do you think all those images are photoshopped or something?

              What do you have to say about the mainstream news coverage of Ukraine after the Obama regime’s Nazi led overthrow of Ukraine’s democracy?

              NATO, the most aggressive military alliance on the planet was threatening Russia for years before they finally invaded. Their fascist puppet state was threatening Russia with nukes. What do you think the US would do if China had Mexico as a puppet state and was threatening to install nukes on America’s border? Would America’s inevitable invasion be aggressive?

              Hey man, you don’t need to admit it to me, a complete stranger online, but be honest with yourself.

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                But this is a defensive operation?

                Are you calling Russia’s attack a defensive operation? How can you work with that contradiction against actual facts in your mind?

                I don’t know if you’re willingly spreading Russian propaganda or just a victim of it, but if it’s the latter then you need to read something beyond your bubble.

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                  I think you already know that this was explained in my comment already.

                  The fact that you’re unwilling to engage with the points made is saying a lot. Like I said already though, it’s fine with me if you don’t want to admit it to me, we all have an ego. But be honest with yourself. You know you’re being lied to. It takes courage to face up to the fact that the world we live in is full of propaganda and lies and we in the west are the bad guys.

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                    1 year ago

                    Well, this is interesting in the way that I’m able to say to you exactly what you told me. And apparently both of think we’re in the right. You should also be courageous and see behind the obvious propaganda that you’re happily feeding on. You’re being lied to and the west is actually the more benevolent party in this. That is not to say that the west is always the benevolent party in every war and conflict, but in this one we definitely are.

                    This is basically why I suggested earlier that this discussion has no point.