I seriously cannot have any degree of nuanced conversation here.
Like I get it, we all know capitalism is bad, but it feels like every time I or anyone go towards discussing the steps that need to be taken to address current looming problems in the short term, someone has to jump in and shut it down with "capitalism bad >:[ " and tear down any idea presented because its not complete and total destruction of the current economic model.
The result just feels like an echo chamber where no actual solutions get presented other than someone posting whole ass dissertations on their 33-step (where 30/33 steps are about as vague as “we’ll just handle it”) plan to fully convert the world to an anarchist commune.
Edit: I still vastly prefer Lemmy and the fediverse and a whole, my complaint here is that many of you are TOO INTENSE. You blow up small scale discussion.
Nobody said it was simple to change society. What is simple is recognizing that we need to get rid of Capitalism.
The problem with the op’s “discussing problems short term” is that what they mean is “let’s waste time trying to reform Capitalism yet again and hope it to be turns out differently this time unlike the 1000 times before it”
You can do both, you know? This all or nothing is exactly what is turning people off. Mostly because those in your camp are mostly doing…nothing but posting the same comment. Either give us a roadmap to action or shut. The. Fuck. Up.
No you can t both reform and dismantle Capitalism at the same time
No one is talking about reforming capitalism. There are, however, problems that need immediate attention. One action does not negate the other. Unless you’re starting the revolution tomorrow, there are people that need to put food on the table. Happy to talk about the revolution when we get there. In the meantime, let’s help those we can.
I never said not to take direct action to help others. Not sure what you’re arguing against.
You directly accused OP of wanting to reform capitalism. I don’t even know what your point is any more because any time someone presses you pivot to a new argument.
The op did not give concrete examples, but if they’re getting comments about their praxis like that, it’s probably because of they’re reformist tactics. And reformism doesn’t work. I have been pretty consistent with my message
All op was saying is that changing society is a complicated process. They even conceded that capitalism is bad.What about this do you disagree with?
By op I mean /c/SorteKanin. I hope we’re talking about the same person.
This is my last reply to them: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/7558299
In which I was countering the OP-OP, not them. Not sure what you’re objecting to