• UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca
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    7 months ago

    You are supposed to feel eternal bliss but if a loved one ends up in hell, wouldn’t that make you sad. So who’s really in heaven? A modified version of you? That’s creepy…

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      7 months ago

      I remember having it explained to me in catechism (essentially catholic religious education) that they would know you’re in hell and wouldn’t miss you. Kind of a fucked up thing to tell a 6 year old, but what are you gonna do

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        6 months ago

        There’s a part in Dante’s Inferno where Dante sees a guy he used to know in Hell and he’s bummed out, but his guide Virgil says, “That guy is in Hell because God wants him here. Who the F are you to question the will of God? Maybe you should just stay in Hell yourself if you think you’re so smart…” and Dante has to backtrack and be like, “No, you’re right, fuck that guy.”

        /I know Dante’s Inferno isn’t technically Catholic doctrine, it’s just fanfic that became so popular people can’t separate it from the canon.

    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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      7 months ago

      if a loved one ends up in hell, wouldn’t that make you sad

      This heavily discounts the existence and function of purgatory (the place you sit and wait until your flaws and frailties have eroded away). It also mistakes the ideas of heaven and hell as reward/punishment rather than proximity to God.

      In theory, your closeness to others is reflected in your closeness to God. Therefore, you wouldn’t lose your loved ones, because their bound to you would bring them closer to God (where you, presumably, are) and keep them from hell. By contrast, if a person you knew did go to hell, it is because they distanced themselves from God (and by extension you). Once you gain the enlightenment of the afterlife, you are able to decouple the mortal craving for companionship from the divine desire for oneness with the Creator. And then you won’t feel sad, because you no longer crave that fallen individual’s destructive tendencies.

      This is all predicated on the notion of a magical divine understanding that only comes to you after your physical body is worm food. So, YMMV. But there’s more involved doctrine that covers these kinds of problems.

    • merc@sh.itjust.works
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      7 months ago

      Yeah, exactly. Say a your best friend is Muslim. Obviously, no Muslims are allowed in heaven. If you’re incapable of sadness in heaven, then you must no longer care about your best friend. But, if you no longer care about your best friend, do you actually care about anybody?

      • VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world
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        7 months ago

        Those rules depend on which denomination you’re asking. The pre-schism church decided you didn’t need to be Christian at all, or even monotheistic. They basically decided that rejecting god was actually a high bar (hearing about Christianity and not joining wasn’t even close, and even being educated as a Christian and not believing anyway wasn’t enough) and that people who were righteous would get in regardless of faith. After all, it’s not your fault if you were raised in a distant land where Christianity wasn’t a thing, and you couldn’t really be blamed for not believing without a visitation from god himself, or an angel, or witnessing a miracle, or similar. Of course, it’s easier to be righteous if you’re Christian and know the rules, so spreading the faith was important. This is even still the official stance of the Vatican (and, I would assume, most Orthodox churches). A lot of the black and white morality and biblical literalism comes from Protestant factions. Definitely not all of it, though; try asking the Pope what he thinks about divorce or gay marriage.

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        7 months ago

        Heaven is heavin’ from the real truth which has been fucking obvious the entire time. The whole trick to the bee hive, that at least had a real sweet purpose, is that if you can think critically enough about fucking anything then you can see the obvious. But if you can’t then the chant loop carries a set of choices that aren’t yours. You’ll be convinced that if he’ll, then your first vomit and escape into empty "space* are saving you from the suffering of infinity carrying meaning.

        Daemon is not a bad person. It’s not even a person. Just a trick of talk that kind of sounds like someone. It’s just a verification of who you are managed by that may sheen instead of being stripped of your manhood by the real truth revealed in that exchange of Knowledge. Kind of creepy to think about but like I said, it’s not a person. It’s just what happens when you die. You’re longer part of the life you left behind at death.

        “After” life is just this one. There’s an infinite galaxy, if not to mention an infinite addition of extra dimensions of stories. You’ll pay attention the same way you did when you started “reading” this one.

        Muslims are literally just more of men refusing to surrender time’s call to respect women’s turn to make the choice for us and with us.

        The whole galaxy we’re in, stories, time, and dimensions I can’t even been to describe, have differences in everything except one. That being the “loop.” This is the structure of everything. Look at how shit changes with the matter-energy 'verse across gradients of volume. Loops are present. So is the story. Across ends the rules and the structure of whatever still will have loops.

        The loop is the one thing that cannot be removed. Even after death, the loop will be a pattern occurring, happening, etc.

        I would say don’t get stuck but you will probably experience the sense of repeat of aspects you were familiar with until you chose to find a different cycle.

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      7 months ago

      Each person’s universe is separate. We exist in overlapping solipsisms.

      Your loved ones don’t end up in hell, because after you’re dead they only exist, to you, in your universe.