Still, misleading title, he’s not proposing a war. Could it potentially lead to war? Yeah but it’s very, very unlikely Mexico would actually declare war on America.
What the fuck do you think putting your military into another country uninvited is? What the fuck are you doing quibbling over “potentially” a war or not? What you’re essentially saying here is that you’re ok with it as long if Mexico cowers and doesn’t fight back.
This is a disgusting level of nationalism. You’re already making excuses for america.
I never said I wasn’t against this, I’m merely saying the title should’ve been something like, “Ron DeSantis proposes uninvited drone strikes on Mexican cartel”
How dare you shove my words back into my mouth! I wasn’t endorsing it! I was merely using Bush era talking points to obscure the reality of those actions and diminish their impact!
The United States is not an arbiter of which Mexicans are to be extrajudicially executed by drone strikes. You’re acting like a coward who’s only too happy the Mexicans are too weak to strike back.
Yes, you know that the US can do almost anything it wants and that it won’t trigger a war with Mexico. It can sanction thousands or millions to death by starvation and lack of medical supplies. It can bomb people. It can seize and occupy territory if it really wants to. Not because the US wouldn’t be waging war then, but because the Mexicans and the rest of latin america are too weak to fight back. And in knowing this you can then claim that, actually, ‘this is misleading 4/5 pinocchios Ron DeSantis only wants the right to do a little gunboat diplomacy with capital punishment characteristics and that’s not really a war’.
I’m sure that if China drone bombed someone in New York the Americans would be super chill about it.
The US hasn’t declared a war since WW2, they’ve still gone to war. Neither the US nor Libya declared war on each other but it still counts as a war when the US bombs the absolute shit out of a country.
Well yeah, you OBJECTIVELY can’t call what happened in Libya a “war”. It was bad and unnecessary, but by definition, not a war… You did not have US troops fighting Libyan troops.
Of course, I forgot when you call it something other than war then it’s not a war! That’s why we have the Korean Police Action, the Vietnam Police Action, the Police Actions in Panama and Grenada, Desert Police Action 1 & 2 in Iraq, and the Global Police Action on Terror! None of those were wars, right?
So you’d be okay with the Chinese dropping a bomb on a house in your neighbourhood because some right-wing nut was gonna blow up a government building?
At this point you really need to define what a “war” is because all you’re doing is dancing around without having to actually stake any claim to an argument. Instead of getting indignant at people drawing conclusions from what you DO say, make the substance of your opinion known so it can be examined and criticized openly.
Explain what the difference is between having your military attack another country and a “congress didn’t say it’s a war but it’s really a war”.
Right, but we’re just talking in the abstract. You have a definition of war, I’m asking if there is a conventional war, one state opposing another site, trying to gain the other’s resources or territory - you don’t consider this a war unless both countries explicitly declare war on the other?
I’m sure the regime who drone struck weddings, hospitals, and loves to double-tap to catch civilians coming to help victims in the aftermath can be trusted to only kill “terrorists” (don’t ask what they define as a terrorist)
Maybe you should worry more about your meth-addled midwest shithole than try to turn socal into a warzone? Jesus christ I wish we could drone strike whatever meth lab you’re posting from.
Launching military ordnance into another country is the definition of war.
If it’s to kill terrorists that are enemies of both the US and Mexican government, not really.
Mexico isn’t fucking inviting the US to do it. They want the US to fuck off.
Still, misleading title, he’s not proposing a war. Could it potentially lead to war? Yeah but it’s very, very unlikely Mexico would actually declare war on America.
What the fuck do you think putting your military into another country uninvited is? What the fuck are you doing quibbling over “potentially” a war or not? What you’re essentially saying here is that you’re ok with it as long if Mexico cowers and doesn’t fight back.
This is a disgusting level of nationalism. You’re already making excuses for america.
Typical hexbears to shove words down throats.
I never said I wasn’t against this, I’m merely saying the title should’ve been something like, “Ron DeSantis proposes uninvited drone strikes on Mexican cartel”
“The American Supreme Court gives individual states the right to choose in reversal of Roe vs Wade”
Obviously different and you know it.
Is that not what the Supreme Court did?
How dare you shove my words back into my mouth! I wasn’t endorsing it! I was merely using Bush era talking points to obscure the reality of those actions and diminish their impact!
Why should a title help obscure the reality of calling to commit acts of war against our neighbor
The United States is not an arbiter of which Mexicans are to be extrajudicially executed by drone strikes. You’re acting like a coward who’s only too happy the Mexicans are too weak to strike back.
Buddy all I’m saying is the title is misleading. I’m obviously against the US bombing Mexican cartels, I just don’t think it’s going to start a war.
If you think the US would be disciplined about only attacking cartels after seeing the War on Terror, I have a bridge to sell you
Yes, you know that the US can do almost anything it wants and that it won’t trigger a war with Mexico. It can sanction thousands or millions to death by starvation and lack of medical supplies. It can bomb people. It can seize and occupy territory if it really wants to. Not because the US wouldn’t be waging war then, but because the Mexicans and the rest of latin america are too weak to fight back. And in knowing this you can then claim that, actually, ‘this is misleading 4/5 pinocchios Ron DeSantis only wants the right to do a little gunboat diplomacy with capital punishment characteristics and that’s not really a war’.
I’m sure that if China drone bombed someone in New York the Americans would be super chill about it.
The US hasn’t declared a war since WW2, they’ve still gone to war. Neither the US nor Libya declared war on each other but it still counts as a war when the US bombs the absolute shit out of a country.
“War” implies the US and Mexico mutually fighting. Libya was military intervention not war.
A Special Military Operation, if you will.
checkmate! it can’t be called a war if we simply lob misiles at a country and arm every lunatic we find, completely destroying it in the process
Well yeah, you OBJECTIVELY can’t call what happened in Libya a “war”. It was bad and unnecessary, but by definition, not a war… You did not have US troops fighting Libyan troops.
So because the US troops were using weapons the Libyan troops couldn’t effectively fight back against, it doesn’t count as a war?
“It wasn’t a battle, it was a just a massacre, so it’s OK”
Are us pilots not us troops?
Of course, I forgot when you call it something other than war then it’s not a war! That’s why we have the Korean Police Action, the Vietnam Police Action, the Police Actions in Panama and Grenada, Desert Police Action 1 & 2 in Iraq, and the Global Police Action on Terror! None of those were wars, right?
Oh my god dude. Come on.
Where have I heard this one before?
So you’d be okay with the Chinese dropping a bomb on a house in your neighbourhood because some right-wing nut was gonna blow up a government building?
He’s a terrorist, so it’s all good right?
I mean, I’m not going to shed any tears over a would-be Timothy McVeigh who probably fantasized about killing leftists like me.
Now, if they start bombing weddings, then we’ve got a problem. And yeah, the US military did that.
I’m not justifying it. I’m only saying the title is a bit misleading/sensationalist.
It’s really not. It’s a definite act of war.
At this point you really need to define what a “war” is because all you’re doing is dancing around without having to actually stake any claim to an argument. Instead of getting indignant at people drawing conclusions from what you DO say, make the substance of your opinion known so it can be examined and criticized openly.
Explain what the difference is between having your military attack another country and a “congress didn’t say it’s a war but it’s really a war”.
“a state of armed conflict between different nations or states or different groups within a nation or state”
Key word, “between.” You can’t have a war if no one declares war.
Are you just fucking with us now? Is this a bit?
I’ve seen at least one other person gently remind you of the last 70 years of US history. Are you just being a troll at this point?
I worded my question explicitly so as to make you think about this. Can you please try to?
Two states fighting against each other for the other state’s territory or resources is not a war unless they declare war?
Mexico wouldn’t be fighting back in this case (which is obviously bad, I’m just speaking semantically).
Right, but we’re just talking in the abstract. You have a definition of war, I’m asking if there is a conventional war, one state opposing another site, trying to gain the other’s resources or territory - you don’t consider this a war unless both countries explicitly declare war on the other?
I’m sure the regime who drone struck weddings, hospitals, and loves to double-tap to catch civilians coming to help victims in the aftermath can be trusted to only kill “terrorists” (don’t ask what they define as a terrorist)
Imagine still buying this
Targeted drone strikes to kill terrorists have done wonders every other time we’ve done it, let’s run it back!
What if i say the us army are terrorists? Then sending ordinance into your country should be fine no. Since i said they are terrorists.
I never said anything would be “fine” but tbh you’re probably right, US military are terrorists.
But it wouldnt be a war.
Maybe you should worry more about your meth-addled midwest shithole than try to turn socal into a warzone? Jesus christ I wish we could drone strike whatever meth lab you’re posting from.