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      genuinely trying to understand you here, when you say “orcs”, are you saying they are genetically inferior or just that they are culturally inferoir, but to such a degree that you think calling them a different species is necessary?

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        Do you have a vague idea of what Russian soldiers did to Ukrainians? They’re not soldiers anymore if they kill, torture, rape, steal and booby tap civilians. I wouldn’t call them soldiers, I’d call them Orcs.

        Edit: nobody is saying that they’re not human beings, but after they sistematically bomb kindergartners, you want a stronger word for them.

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          Would you say that many of the US armed forces deployed around the world warrant that title as well? Not in a whataboutism kind of way, just keeping you honest with upholding your standards everywhere they are relevant

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            I would say not. Of course there will always be individuals that will be criminal but in the case of the US military, they take steps to reduce civilian casualties nor has the US annexed land.

            War is not fair. It is not precise. But it can be justified.

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            If the US (ar any Western) army would do what the Russian army is doing, why not? I have never been anti-Russian or a Russophobe. I have no problem admitting that the US unleashed atrocious wars alongside its allies, one among them being Iraq. I have no problem saying that the US has problems with democracy (see Julian Assange, Snowden) etc, but currently there’s no army as evil as the Russian one.

            If the people you live close with lost legs, lost lives, lost children because a rocket flew in their house (not by accident, but by a voluntary action) at night when people are sleeping, if your local hospital was shelled by the X army, would you still say “oh those soldiers shelled my town 😊” or would you say “those bastards shelled my town”? It’s the same thing

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              What of all the countries that have been shelled, bombed, and invaded by the US, where inflows of weapons and sometimes troops have lead to more lost limbs, destroyed homes, and lost lives than Ukraine has seen? What of Yemen, Laos, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Iraq, Korea, Iran, countless others? The biggest difference between all of these nations is 1) their interests do not align with ours like Ukraine’s does, 2) the US were the ones mutilating and razing, and 3) because of those two factors the press coverage was entirely absent for any of those crimes against humanity

              I guarantee that the US has lead to far, far more deaths than the few tens of thousands that Ukraine has seen at the hands of the Russians, even just in the middle east Surely the whataboutism is bringing up a much, much smaller death toll in the face of an absolutely massive one, right?

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        genuinely trying to understand you here

        Look at his profile, he’s got Hitler quote and 4 chan pfp there lol, he’s a nazi.

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          you really hate to see it when the Ukraine supporters actually end up being Nazis 😔

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        Orcs are not inferior by pretty much every definition in high fantasy. They are elves who simply chose to align with evil.

        So, I mean, far be it from me to interrupt a lemmygrad user from scraping the bottom of the fucking barrel in trying to find a way to flail pathetically anytime the war comes up, but you’ll need to do better than this.

        Genetically inferior JFC the strawman factory you got going on over here lol

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          More precisely they are elves who were captured by Morgoth and corrupted to become orcs. I think this makes it even more fitting since russian soldiers have been either forced to the front or corrupted by lies.

          Anyway, “orcs” refer to the invading forces here, not to russians as a “race”.

          If we wanna talk about blatant racism, Medvedev publically calls ukrainians “bastards” and wants to “kill them all”.

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          Orcs are not inferior by pretty much every definition in high fantasy. They are elves who simply chose to align with evil.

          That’s literally only in Tolkien’s universe (and they were originally kidnapped and tortured for centuries, they did not chose that) and there they were explicitly stated as inherently evil monsters so it’s dehumanising as fuck.

          In most other universes they are subhuman barbarians or straight up monsters.

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            JRR Tolkien is by far the most culturally impactful definition of high fantasy, so I don’t think it’s unreasonable.

            And I have to maintain my disagreement. The transition of the elf to orc by choice of evil is CRITICAL for the central themes.

            The fall into evil was itself intrinsically tragic.

            The wars between orc and elf are tragic because they are brothers.

            OP’s absurd reach that there are underpinnings of “genetic inferiority” is fucking retarded. It’s OBVIOUSLY a way to try and scramble on top of an ant hill of moral outrage on behalf of their glorious red army within the greater context of sitting on a mountain of war crimes perpetrated by them.

            We get it. You’ve all conflated contrarianism with intellect and in this moment you’re all euphoric. You’ve managed to divert a possible discussion about the horrors being inflicted by a war of aggression into one where you’re wagging a finger over a faux-entomology over the word “orc”. Bravo. Bravo.

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            And? How is that not deserved. Slaughtering innocent Ukrainians makes you lose the title of human being. Take away others humanity undeservedly and you shall lose your own

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                Nice Photoshop/inspect element job. The only “nazi” here is you, trying to justify the genocide of an entire people. Cope harder Putinist, your time shall come. Justice will be served

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                    Not surprising that he simps for Brave, which is a “privacy” browser that uses the Chromium engine. (Yes, giving Google another monopoly point is very private). It also has its own shitty crypto which screams MLM, yet the simps say it’s good because ooo money!

                    It’s also been into numerous scandals over the years, and each time the devs did a half ass apology and swear they’d do better, yet the scandals just keep on coming. One of them for example put referral codes into the URLs of websites so that Brave gets a cut. When they got caught, they apologised,

                    Also “Braveophobes”. Totally sane individual.

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                What’s stopping you from going over there and killing some Russians? It’s easy to hurl insults. Praising the deaths of anyone should be condemned. War should never be glorified. You’ve lost your humanity.

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                  You lose your Russian status when you kill a Slavic brother. People protecting their people and homeland should absolutely be glorified, they shouldn’t just stand idly by and watch as they are massacred. In the next couple months if I can volunteer I will actually

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                    Both sides are fighting a war for those with money and power. They’re just trying to survive. Russians and Ukrainians risk jail if they don’t fight. How is that honorable? Watch this before you volunteer.

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        When you do what Putin and his orcs are doing you lose the title of human being. I myself am 25% Russian and love Russia, what I don’t love is people betraying their Slavic or supposed Slavic brothers and doing such atrocious things. Its absolutely necessary to call them orcs, you’d certainly agree for other groups. Maybe we have a Putin sympathizer on our hands 🤔. Wouldn’t be surprised with such a platform

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          Putin can face death by potato peeler and I’d be perfectly content, but I’m not really sure you quite get this war, or war in general, if this is the most fired up you’ve ever gotten about troops fighting a war. This really isn’t that far from typical, many other wars even in the past 20 years have seen far more heinous human rights abuses.