One of the things I don’t really want to self host is a mail server, especially for outbound mail. Currently I’m using a Gmail account, but I want to change that.
What do you all use for things like notifications sent through smtp?
I’m leaning towards AWS SES since it’s cheap, but I know there are some other options like mailgun and sendgrid.
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There’s a proton bridge docker container out there that I’m planning to standup this weekend for SMTP use inside my home lab.
I’d be interested in hearing how that goes. I don’t currently use protonmail, but need to look at it again sometime.
Well, got it done. I was going to write something up about this process, but it ended up being really straightforward. I’m running it in k3s and the worst part was waiting for the initial sync.
Now, something about the SMTP traffic my router sends (trying to send notifications from a Mikrotik) makes the smtp implementation mad, but all my other clients were fine.
I’ve read about SMTP tokens for certain protonmail accounts yesterday. Seems to be for select business accounts + visionary accounts only (, yet, @protonmail?). Would this make the bridge obsolete (for sending)?
Yeah, if that rolls out to more account types, you would no longer need the bridge for sending.
I’m also on gmail. Haven’t had any issues with it, no real desire to change.
I am using PostmarkApp. It works for me and I don’t have to worry about outbound messages.
I’m using Mailgun, but there are other providers offering similar services as well. Main reason is because it’s free for the volume I send :)
This is a weird one. I have my instance in a vps that blocks smtp and all it’s alternative and secure ports. Is there anyway for me to get smtp out of here? Id have to fiddle with Lemmy’s functions. I imagine an API or something. Anyone have experience with this?
Does your vps provider block outbound smtp to port 465/587? Usually providers only block port 25 outbound so that the vps can’t send mail directly to a server (and can’t host incoming mail). I haven’t seen many providers block smtp altogether.
If that’s the case though, services like sendgrid do offer http apis. I’m not sure if there’s any sort of smtp-to-http relay bridge, but I wouldn’t be surprised if there is one. Otherwise Lemmy would have to support the specific api to send e-mails through.
Mailgun
msmtp, I’m using purelymail for all my emails.
This is the first I’ve heard of purelymail. It looks really cheap. How do you like it so far? I’m using fastmail currently for most of my domains, but have been considering moving my incoming e-mail too.
Love it. Heard about it from HN some years ago and been using it since. The guy who runs it is super friendly and aswers mails quickly too. And yes, it’s super cheap, I’m using the “usage based” pricing or whatever it’s called.
I set up a smtp relay with gsuite for outgoing mail but don’t think it is ideal; it is tied to my user. It was just expedient rather than preferred.
Totally looking forward to the answers here.
That’s pretty much my concern as well. Most of my notifications (lemmy/etc) get sent from a gsuite account or a fastmail account. I don’t really want any automated e-mails being tied to my personal accounts like that.
With my one user gsuite I setup a secondary domain in it so lemmy sends from no-reply@lemmy.gregw.us, not my main address, but lemmy still authenticates using my main address.
I pay a mail provider $7/year to host all of my hobby / private mail.
Which mail provider do you use?
Mailjet is working great for me.
I don’t think I’ve looked at mailjet yet, thanks! The free plan looks better than sendgrid’s free plan so far
MXroute. First, because Jar is stupid (hope someone will get the reference). Second, because they are awesome and cheap at the same time. You can go from full-fledged hosting with them to using them as relay, and for pizza money for a year.
Are you using mxroute only for outbound (notifications/etc) mail, or are you using it for all of your incoming e-mail too?
In some cases outbound only, in other cases inbound, too, with redirect somewhere else.
If you want free options, I often use MailEnable and hMailServer in lab environments. Also a free Azure developer trial includes some M365 licenses, and it pretty much always auto-renews every 90 days (I’ve had a few tenants going for YEARS now)
Oh man, I have enough bad memories from MailEnable :D
That’s a good tip about the 365 license though, I didn’t know it could renew for free. I might try it just to learn more about azure.
I’m using mailgun and have had zero issues with it. Hard to beat since it’s free.
I might be missing something, but isn’t mailgun only free for the first month? It looked like their cheapest plan is $35/mo after the 30day trial.
You know I think you’re right. I might be grandfathered into an old plan. I’ve been using mailgun for over 3 years
AmazonSES and SMTP2Go are both awesome.
Thanks for mentioning SMTP2Go. It’s another I haven’t looked at yet, but looks like 1,000 e-mails/mo in the free plan isn’t bad.
Of course. The only thing I don’t like about it is the free plan only allows 5 domains.
I also thought about using AWE SES, but I decided not to use it, since I was “sandboxed”(See more here).
I decided to use MXRoute, which have worked great for me so far. It is more expensive(50$ per year), than purelymail and Migadu, but for me reliabillity is very important, so I don’t mind paying a bit extra for it.
$50/yr isn’t too terrible if it’s good. Do you use it only for outgoing notification type e-mails or do you use it as your main email too?
