So you admit that they are legitimate targets.

If a hospital is being used as a staging point for military forces, it’s a legitimate military target. That’s why militarizing hospitals is wrong.

The health ministry

(Hamas)

The 1948 war was started by Arabs who rejected the partition plan. Israel won that. Vae victis, don’t start wars if you’re not prepared to deal with the consequences.

You’re right that Israel has been stealing land - in the West Bank, via illegal settlements. They should withdraw those settlers, but it is irrelevant to the issue of Hamas because the last settlements in Gaza were demolished in 2005.

I’m not pro Israel. What I am is someone who is anti Hamas, and I’m not going to pretend that the Israelis are chuckling monsters who enjoy murdering babies for the fun of it.

Well, I would say as few as reasonably possible to eliminate Hamas.

If Israel was mass murdering people, this would be very, very different. We don’t know how many people have died, but we do know that Israel has been taking significant steps to avoid collateral damage, and we know that has been frustrated by war crimes perpetrated by Hamas (using ambulances as military transport, using hospitals as military bases, shooting civilians who try to leave the conflict zone) so I’m not sure what you want for me.

I want Israel to take reasonable actions to limit civilian casualties while they prosecute the war against Hamas which Hamas started and is continuing. I want that war to end immediately, but I recognize it can only reasonably end with either Hamas surrendering or Hamas being degraded past the point of it being a threat.

They’re the ones with control over the course of the war and how long it will take before it ends. They are the ones who control how many Palestinians die, at least until and unless Palestinians get tired of falling victim to the violence Hamas inflicts on them and does something about them.

That’s a question only Hamas can answer

Well, since Israel is the party which is defending itself, they have the right to go after Hamas. And since Hamas hides among civilians, if the civilians of Gaza get tired of falling victim to collateral damage, they should talk to Hamas about it.

There’s some of that but at the end of the day, the people of Gaza and the leaders of Hamas are responsible for their own decisions.

Dude they have been having a huge population boom for a long time. Population growth rate is 2% per year. PER YEAR.

Secondarily, I’m interested to hear how you justify calling Hamas genocidal without making the same observation about the Likud and Netanyahu.

Likud and Netanyahu are far right nationalists. In that sense, they’re like Hamas. I am not a fan of them. The difference is what they’re willing to do to promote the interests of their state. Netanyahu and Likud have lines they won’t cross, Hamas doesn’t. If Netanyahu was as deranged as Hamas, they’d nuke Gaza and just go in and slaughter the population. I am glad they have those lines.

Idk man fucking around and finding out is kinda a thing

What genocide?

Something like 40% of buildings have been destroyed in Gaza since last week

Wars are terrible. I think this is why Israel recommended an evacuation.

Hamas is the governing body, everything is technically under Hamas.

Exactly the problem.

There’s a lot of people in Gaza, so, yeah

Gaza Health Ministry

(Hamas)

Bro the US government is far more credible than Hamas, and anyone who has a legitimate grasp on reality would agree

If I was some terrorist dickhead working for Hamas I’d just collate every death which happened from any cause within Gaza and report them as conflict related. Killed by Hamas, killed by Israel, slipped and fell, dead of cancer? Whatever. Just collect all of them.

I don’t know how they’re fudging the numbers, but it would beggar belief that they aren’t. They control the health ministry, they’ve got all the tools they need to inflate the total as much as they want to.

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I’m sure.

the 778,000 residents of Gaza about 10,000 have died

(According to Hamas)

Lmao I’m not going anywhere. Be mad