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Thank you for kind words, and I do know that deep down. But being very, very familiar with Lebanon’s history, it makes me cry to think of everything these people have been through and the horrors awaiting them if this escalates. I know the Palestinians are going through the same thing now in Gaza, but for whatever reason the news of what may happen in Lebanon has hit me harder. It is probably due to my personal experiences being on the receiving end of antisemitism from a Lebanese person and feeling like I deserved it because of what “my people” did. When this happened to me, I didn’t understand. Why did he hate me? My family fled Europe and came to America. I have no connection aside from being Jewish to modern day Israel. I took that as an opportunity to learn about the history, if I am going to be associated with the actions of Israel then I should learn the history. Now I know the history, I can understand why they have that hate.
Nice antisemitism, buddy. Why can’t a Jewish person feel shame and sadness for the actions Israel has taken in Lebanon since June 6th, 1982?
Educate yourself: https://www.nytimes.com/1982/09/26/world/the-beirut-massacre-the-four-days.html
Man. I know the Palestinians have it rough, but the Lebanese do as well. That country has seen so much turmoil. I feel so sad for the people of Lebanon.
As a Jewish person, who has met Lebanese who hate me because of my ethnicity and said as much to me, I wish I could apologize for the atrocities committed either by Israel or with their permission over the many decades. I wish an apology from some random American Jew with no direct family from Israel can apologize for what “my people” have done. I am also an atheist, but I am praying for their safety. These people have suffered enough. The history of Lebanon is horrible, so much death and suffering. So much caused by the Israelis, Phalangist, Syrians, and yes, even the Palestinians. This whole situation hearts my heart.
edit: I’ll make clear, of course in this situation Israel needs to deal with Hezbollah. But Lebanese does not equal Hezbollah. Just like Palestinian does not equal Hamas.
Don’t worry. They’ll be here any minute to move the goal posts so that they can still blame Israel without evidence.
If you look at the picture of the damage it is immediately obvious that it was not a JDAM. This bullshit about Hamas not having the firepower when the damage is clearly not from a JDAM proves that you’re all just making shit up and regurgitating nonsense. Also Hamas didn’t shoot the rocket either, Islamic Jihad did. But continue to trust terrorist words over evidence. It’s going really well for you so far.
More analysis: https://twitter.com/Nrg8000/status/1714535497958334678
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I hope so. He needed to go a decade ago, his time has hopefully come. Israelis should not forget that when this is over.
They know what they’re doing. The Israeli government’s hypocracy is deliberate. Labor may be less radical than the Likud, but they’re all Zionists.
Appreciate the clarification. But yea, when you look into Arafat you will see he was not a man that can be trusted. Simply look at the Camp David Accords to see his true intentions. He is as much to blame for the turmoil of today as anyone else.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/may/23/israel3
Clinton was speaking of the two-week-long Camp David conference in July 2000 which he had organised and mediated and its failure, and the eruption at the end of September of the Palestinian intifada which has continued since. Halfway through the conference, apparently on July 18, Clinton had “slowly” - to avoid misunderstanding - read out to Arafat a document, endorsed in advance by Barak, outlining the main points of a future settlement. The proposals included the establishment of a demilitarised Palestinian state on some 92% of the West Bank and 100% of the Gaza Strip, with some territorial compensation for the Palestinians from pre-1967 Israeli territory; the dismantling of most of the settlements and the concentration of the bulk of the settlers inside the 8% of the West Bank to be annexed by Israel; the establishment of the Palestinian capital in east Jerusalem, in which some Arab neighborhoods would become sovereign Palestinian territory and others would enjoy “functional autonomy”; Palestinian sovereignty over half the Old City of Jerusalem (the Muslim and Christian quarters) and “custodianship,” though not sovereignty, over the Temple Mount; a return of refugees to the prospective Palestinian state though with no “right of return” to Israel proper; and the organisation by the international community of a massive aid programme to facilitate the refugees’ rehabilitation.
Arafat said no. Enraged, Clinton banged on the table and said: “You are leading your people and the region to a catastrophe.” A formal Palestinian rejection of the proposals reached the Americans the next day. The summit sputtered on for a few days more but to all intents and purposes it was over.
Today Barak portrays Arafat’s behaviour at Camp David as a “performance” geared to exacting from the Israelis as many concessions as possible without ever seriously intending to reach a peace settlement or sign an “end to the conflict”.
“He did not negotiate in good faith; indeed, he did not negotiate at all. He just kept saying no to every offer, never making any counterproposals of his own,” he says. Barak shifts between charging Arafat with “lacking the character or will” to make a historic compromise (as did the late Egyptian President Anwar Sadat in 1977-79, when he made peace with Israel) to accusing him of secretly planning Israel’s demise while he strings along a succession of Israeli and Western leaders and, on the way, hoodwinks “naive journalists”.>
You are doing no favors to the victims in Gaza by arguing in bad faith and misrepresenting facts. If you truly cared about the Palestinian people, you would want to learn history so that you can understand the complex issues in the region and have an educated debate. Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it.
At least you admit you would like to be ignorant and not worth discussing with. Open a history book and learn something.
Using human shields is also a war crime
Ok? That doesn’t change the fact that the PLO had zero interest in any deal that didn’t involve the total destruction of a Jewish state. Arafat used his Palestinian support to turn refugee camps into missile launch sites to attack Israel. They took control of Jordan and Lebanons border regions and constantly raided and attacked Israel which brought retaliation from the Israelis. Yes, that included bombing innocent civilians, which is abhorrent and indefensible. Israel leveled residential buildings which just like today helped empower the Palestinian guerrilla groups. It’s fucking terrible. Absolutely terrible and indefensible.
But to say Israel turned down peace and acting like Arafat had any intentions to agree to peace is delusion at best and blatant lies at worst.
Edit: also while the 2018 incident was horrible, it’s irrelevant to what I replied to the pervious commenter. We are talking about Arafat and the peace negotiations, he died in 2004.
You are ignoring the dozens of other times peace was attempted and Arafat refused to negotiate at all. All the while Arafat discussed peace he was plotting terror and destruction. His only goal was the complete end of the Jewish state. Do you also forget the turmoil that followed Arafat? Jordan Civil War? Israeli invasion of Lebanon during the Lebanese Civil War following the attack on civilians? Arafat never wanted peace.
Before lemmy world defederated almost every other post on these threads was lemmygrad users cheering for Hamas’ slaughter edit: of civilians. Lemmy.ml has a few problem users as well, which I’ve mostly blocked at this point. I’ve seen some get banned. It’s fallacious to ask who is saying those things, then being told who is doing it, and saying yea they’re doing it but they don’t count.
Not the person you’re responding to but the second one. They will push into the north, then likely keep going. The writing is on the wall, they will eradicate Hamas and while doing so all of Gaza because Hamas hides amongst civilians. They know Hamas may go south as well while telling everyone else to remain where they are. It may even be part of their plan. They will commit atrocity in the name of peace, and Hamas will revel in it and commit more of their own atrocities as well.
Impressive may be the wrong word, but it is something, regardless of the source of the power. The levels they are able to go to without repercussion or ways they can take advantage of everything because of oil is something.
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