They disagree I should be allowed to live though

For a very, very, long time it was considered proper to hit your family, as the man of the house, to keep everyone in order. If the patriarch was hitting you, you needed discipline, this was a god ordained arraignment, so what were you doing against god to deserve this wrath? Domestic violence was crazy high compared to today, as late as the 1990’s. Also drinking rates have fallen greatly, especially since the 18th century.

Being a woman in these romanticized times meant you couldn’t have any sort of credit, you couldn’t hold a bank account, you couldn’t vote, violence towards you, from your family was not criminal. Until the 1900s women couldn’t legally own, or rent, property, except under specific conditions (inheritance, gift from their husband, tenement housing built specifically to house women alone, that sort of thing). Even though it was legalized int he early 1900s, it was also legal to discriminate against women, in that way, until the 1970s, in a lot of places. It was far more common for men to drink, and for men to beat their families, and they had few, to no, legal ways to create independence from their husband. So they were stuck there.

pictures of a c-section, vs pictures of a mangled corpse in a car wreck, is an apples to oranges comparison. I think you wouldn’t want to see a surgery, and you are really stretching to make it seem that anyone who would, is a bad person. Pictures of these things are common, lots of people film, and photograph, births. Many people are fine with recordings of their medical procedures, for both personal, and educational reasons.

Just because you don’t like something does not make other people bad for finding interest in it.

I have been told by the TSA agents they only really ever take it if it has a pointed file on it, as those can be made into disguised knives. This is why you see much fewer of them on clippers these days.

I mean, i thought that was pretty obvious, about the US that is

Release an incomplete game, in an unplayable state? Best selling game your studio has ever made. Feel it helps to include perspectives, from a diverse group of people, in your product creation? Beg for forgiveness.

Hasn’t been happening to me. Then again, the music I listen to probably isn’t a big target for AI, yet.

Hey, I am more complex than that!

The US is an imperialist hypocrite of a country. Like that is just a damn fact. As you point out though, the issues leftists, not in these spaces, have with places like hexbear, and ml, is the fact that they back authoritarian regimes like China. China who is in the process of the US playbook of economic imperialism with their BRI. They are committing a genocide, they are exploiting much poorer countries, to hold them in economic dependency, and they are discussing annexing land they do not own any longer, and haven’t for a long time now. No I am not talking about Taiwan.

They are making so many similar moves to the US post WWII, and have an economy that is dependent on allowing capitalism, to the point that they have a billionaire class second only to the US. While the US is growing its police/surveillance state, China is leagues ahead on that one. The big thing China doesn’t have, is something similar to the massive global infrastructure the US developed to be able to deploy, and supply, its military in a time frame measured in hours. China is trying to develop something along these lines, but it has the US/NATO super structure all ready in place, it will have to, at least partially, displace. This will not be easy.

This person is saying Putin wants the territory back, not the government system. They even say the statement was hyperbolic.

don’t forget capitalism, capitalism is the real religion, and the dollar is it’s icon.

Have you ever petitioned your local legislators, or even contacted them? That is a starting point. You also search out what political initiatives are local to you, what political organizations are, and you look for ones already working for things that would benefit men. Things like groups pushing for better coverage of mental health care, groups that work to get popular media to discuss mental health, and work for better media representation of mental health care. There are plenty of these, and if none seem to be working for men’s interests, since you joined, you now have a opening to present data to get them to do so, etc. Everyone who wasn’t already a public figure, when the went on youtube, was in the same position. You could look for youtubers who are already doing just this, like for real, and not just grifting manosphere stuff, and push their channel to places.
Fuck, find channels that discuss mens’ issues, and mental health, in a real way, and go push them in manosphere places.

There is a lot you can. You have to take the initiative, you have to figure out what is out there, you have to figure out how to interact with them, etc. It’s not easy.

Are you trying to say that it is impossible to change?

I didn’t say only by men, there is more comments for context to that statement you are leaving out, I said men have had most of the control through out history, so they have, by far, the greatest influence

There is a lot of misandry in conservatism, and liberalism, and leftism. However, the root for it differs from conservatism, and the other two position. While it isn’t a huge talking point, I wouldn’t say it is not something that is really ignored. Maybe it is so in “pop” leftist media? Like breadtube type stuff?

I wasn’t trying to imply that men’s spaces, on various fora, were the only ones with bad behavior. I was pointing out that, when a lot of these places were shut down, a lot of them cried misandry because x misandrist forum is still up. However, when you look at the situation, it wasn’t the misogynistic conversation that got them banned, it was the actions they coordinated on their fora. I have also seen a number of misandrist spaces get shut down too. Again though, it was because they refused to stop bad actions on their forum, and moderate it out.

Yes liberals, and leftists, should know better. Unfortunately you are broaching a subject with A LOT of strong emotional value to it. It is awful that there are, practically, no support groups for male victims of rape, and, even though there is often no indicator it is only for women, they are pushed out of those places because a lot of those women, straight up, are afraid of men. Men have traumatized them to the point where they cannot feel safe around them, and/or get a visceral reaction to a strange man being there. And yes, there is a lot of resentment in these communities towards men. They are mentally, and often physically, scarred by the actions of men. It isn’t fair, but these emotions, trauma responses, etc. are not rational. They are real though, and they are exceedingly difficult to deal with. It is actually very difficult for them to truly view men as, mostly, decent human beings, because of trauma. Especially so because men are responsible for damn near all sexual violence, and homicide.

This isn’t easy. There are no clear ways to deal with this situation. However, men are the root cause of most of it. As you have pointed out, the men higher on the hierarchy are incentivized, in many ways, to maintain this status quo. That is a class conflict situation, between those lower on the hierarchy, and the men who are in control. As more women come into power, both in government, and in the commercial/industrial world, things will change. Exactly how is yet to be seen.

You have to blame the men in charge, but also yourself, your upbringing, and realize you need to work on personal betterment just as much as trying to help other men. Real help, not just creating safe spaces to bitch about chads, and hate on women. Simply creating a place to support men, with actual counseling in mind, that diverts from just blaming women, will actually make things better, demographically. This social capital idea you have isn’t the all encompassing thing you think it is. I have seen very meh looking men, who were fucking homeless, and jobless, in relationships with women. Having support groups, that are just not echo chambers of hate, and instead are implementing counseling methods, that certified people use, that you have researched yourself (do not call yourself a councilor, or claim any professional expertise, diagnosis, etc. just offer as help, man to man, with the increased knowledge) will, broadly, increase other men’s sense of self. This will increase their personal confidence. This will lead to personal betterment. Then you push to branch out.

The idea that men need serious fucking help is already out there. Has been for a good while. It is slowly manifesting into society being more accepting of seeking mental health care, men processing their emotions, etc. Like I said, it is slow, but it is happening. If you are so inclined, do real research into the problems men face in society, like academic research, there is a lot out there to read through, and write a book. Maybe start a podcast, or YT channel. Sure you might not get anywere, but you got stuff out there, in the collective space, for others to see. Which is orders of magnitude more than any MRA, redpill, or incel community has done. Those communities just make the situation worse. They blame women, and even when they discuss men in power enforcing this, they just go “well this is a monumental task to change. Instead I will just stew, in this toxic echo chamber.” While they are just making people advocating for reform for the betterment of men look bad. Look for people who want to publicly advocate reform. From the soap box, and maybe, eventually, to the larger public domain.

I just wanted specified examples so that I could look them up.

In the city I used to live in, in the early 2000s, there was a big thing when a video of a men’s support group, for mental health, came out where the organizer was on a very misogynistic rant. This place also had limited shelter for men who were homeless due to things like divorce. Soon after it got shut down. Not long after that, a video of a women’s support group, for rape victims, came out, and it had members there going on similar rants towards men. So there was a heap of shit about it, and that group lost the lease to the space they used, and no one else would let them in. It was very much pushed as “you shut down the men, you need to shut down the women” thing.

Few months later the guy on the tape, along with like 1/3 of the people associated with that group, at that time, were indicted for a variety of crimes. Namely the organized stalking, and harassment of women. Mostly ex’s of the members, but some others for different reasons. Most of them were convicted. This is why it was shut down. Not because of the tape. So the women’s support group was targeted, and pushed out, because people believe they were getting quid pro quo for the men’s group. Only for it to show it was organized, criminal, behavior that got it shut down, not their misogyny. So, in the end, these women lost their space because of a far lesser wrong, in the name of equality.

Also, I hear a lot about how men’s online spaces are shut down more than women’s. Both being bigoted towards the other. However, when I looked into the post discussing them getting shut-down it was always because they were doing something extra, like brigading other places, stalking, and harassing, other women on the site, and posting lots of public calls for illegal activities. They generally given more than one chance to snuff that shit out too, they just didn’t. Where as most of the awful femcel kinda places either didn’t that far, didn’t organize like that on their space, or were warned and then the mods started shutting that shit down.

So I always have my suspicions with this topic. Not that it hasn’t happened, as you say, but, the majority I have seen, weren’t shutdown for such simple reasons. Though they all had people crying about how they got shut down for misogyny, yet x place with femcels didn’t.

Can you give me specific instances so that I may scrutinize the situations?

Obviously, however that doesn’t make it not a problem with men. We still need a collective introspection, and course correction.

Well, if she gets the hyper conservative, very old school, way of doing things, that she wants, you wont have to worry about seeing, or hearing, her again. She will be in the house, and not be allowed to be in the government. I mean she won’t even be able to vote.