It’s similar to commercials and ads. Everyone thinks they are not affected by such things, but pretty much everyone is affected by them on a subconscious level. Why would companies such as coca cola spend millions of dollars on advertisements? After all, virtually everyone already knows what coca cola is.
Shock sites always had trouble with the law, which is why most of them have shut down by now and most social media sites remove it. Watching/consuming it is one thing, publicly and openly sharing/promoting it without effectively restricting access to minors will always bring legal issues and legal attacks… And even when the legal charges are fought successfully, it’s still a major pain in the ass most people don’t want to deal with… And then you also have to find ISP’s and hosters who are willing to host this kind of material.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotten.com#Legal_disputes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bestgore.com#Corruption_of_morals_charge
https://www.dw.com/de/gewaltvideos-im-netz-was-strafrechtlich-erlaubt-ist/a-49871305
https://www.skppsc.ch/de/gewaltvideos-und-illegale-pornografie-auf-smartphones/
That’s why you get a big warning message informing you that DM’s are not encrypted and thus not secure.
But I’d think recovering nazis are frequently “people who say some anti-semitic stuff sometimes.”
Sure, or racist stuff. But antisemitism, racism and sexism are unfortunately not just limited to nazis, there are plenty of other people who say anti semitic, racist, homophobic and sexist stuff.
And I don’t like it when people call all racists nazis because in my view, a Nazi is a specific and extreme version of racist. And of course all forms of racism are bad, but some are way way worse than others.
Individuals or small teams running instances which don’t take money don’t need to comply to GDPR.
Are you sure about that? So if I hosted a website that shows your name and address, you could do nothing to make me take it down because I’m not an organisation or company?
Well that depends on the comment, doesn’t it? As far as I understand it, if I posted personal information about you, such as your name, home address, etc, in a comment, you could demand from the admin to remove that comment as it would contain personal information you don’t want in the open.
You have to keep in mind, this is about protecting people’s health and lives.
And just to be clear, Nazis aren’t people who say some anti-semitic stuff sometimes. Nazis hurt and kill people. If an organisation manages to help a neo-nazi leave their gang, but that person still holds some anti-semitic views, that’s still a win and anyone who disagrees has some weird priorities in my view…
Would it be better if that person completely dropped those views? Of course, but I prefer a rambling racist 100 times to a neo-nazi throwing molotovs into a refugee home or attacking people in general.
And let’s say I wanted to use it, I’m going to install this and instruct my kids how to use crackpipe?
I mean I get your point, but if you instruct your kids how to use a tool for managing pirated games, they are probably going to see a lot harsher stuff than the word “crack pipe”…
That’s extra work, throwaway services are often blocked
Never had any issues whatsoever, it is less work to me than logging into my mail account and confirming my account, but I also like to have a separate account for every service and never use the “login with facebook/whatever else” option.
it also defeats the purpose of having a backup contact in case of loss passwords etc.
That’s true, but if you actually want to be able to recover your password, there isn’t a way around providing your email.
Why not use a throw-away email address?
Lemmy isn’t going to “die” anytime soon, it has already been around for about 4 years now, it’s not going anywhere…
Maybe activity will significantly slow down, maybe it will go back to being a super small community, but I don’t see it completely getting killed anytime soon.
Isn’t it a bit funny that you are asking that after you have already joined the server and accepted all the rules, etc?
Do we know he’s a jolly good fellow?
I mean that’s up to you to decide, idk. what answer you are expecting… You have the same information on him as we do, the info on his mastadon:
Globalized trade has been a thing long before neo-liberalism existed, arguably longer than capitalism has existed. Equating neo-liberalism with “global/globalized trade” is incredibly reductive…
EDIT: I read the comment wrong, OP is saying that international/global trade is not inherently bad, not that neo-liberalism is the same thing as international/global trade.
First of all, just to be clear, I’m not at all an expert on this topic for those who haven’t noticed. My questions are mostly because I want to learn how it works, not because I want to tell you that you are wrong or anything like that. You seem to know a lot more than me anyway.
Tracking of reads = when you read someone’s post, there is a permanent log record made
When you read someone’s post, you first need to access that information from the server. In order to do that, your client tells the server which post you want to see and the server sends you that post. Those interactions are most likely logged on the server as well as which IP address has requested that information, etc. There is no absolute sure way to make sure that the admin does not use those logs to extract that information, at the end of the day, it comes down if you trust the admin.
But there is also a “show read posts” option which seems to hide read posts overall, which does indeed suggest that read posts are saved and used and which seems to work independent of client.
It’s not mostly an issue of selling data for marketing purposes. The data could also be extracted by cyber attackers, seized by law enforcement, subpoenad in a lawsuit, or whatever.
Sure, I do get the issue to some extend, but I don’t see how it is quite as bad as you seem to imply. For example, I worry more about personal data, such as my e-mail address being leaked, which is why I generally use a throw away email. I don’t really see why I, or some attacker, should care about which posts I have “read”, but maybe I don’t understand the full implications getting this information means.
“Marketing purposes” is a smoke screen anyway.
Of course it is, but I don’t think there are any lemmy instances that use lemmy data for marketing purposes. Data seems to be used only to improve the user experience, at least that’s how it’s intended.
It is not necessary to record voting data except to prevent you from voting twice on a particular topic.
If it wasn’t logged or only logged client side you could upvote/downvote infinitely, no?
There is also no need to remember HOW anyone voted. It’s enough to remember that you voted on a particular topic, and increment the relevant vote counter. That is also how real-world elections work. See also the topic of “receipt-free voting” in cryptography.
That does seem to be a good point.
What do you mean with “tracking” exactly? The way I understand it, tracking is analysing and using user data, for example for marketing purposes.
Posts and content need to be saved on the instance as far as I understand, I don’t see any other way. And posts and comments are essentially public information, anyone can see the posts that your username posts and comments, that’s kinda the entire point of posting and commenting.
Up and down votes too, otherwise I don’t see how the concept of up and down votes could work. The server needs to know which comments or posts you upvote, otherwise it doesn’t register it. And theoretically, the server admin could track that information and make statistics based on it, although this is potentially where legal issues come in if it’s not properly explained what is done with your data.
Same with metadata stuff and data such as which posts you access/read. The server has to know that information, when you click on a post you want to read, you are essentially asking the server to provide you with that post, so the server has to know which post you want to read and this is generally logged on the server for a certain time.
The question is does the server keep and archive this information and/or is this information used and analysed by somebody.
According to the admin, data is not sold or used for marketing purposes.
I think right now, there are a lot of passionate old school reddit users on lemmy who are exited about it and eager to participate and who are finding a lot of things they were missing from reddit.
The community is a lot smaller and made up largely of enthusiasts.
They’ve also made a lot of shitty decisions.
That’s the thing with tech companies. They are fast to rise, but also fast to fall, so they are always on the lookout for the next big thing. Blockchain tech was supposed to be the next big thing. Crypto currency was at the time already kinda the big thing in the tech industry’s eyes. And of course when that happens, everyone wants to be early bird for the next big thing and caution is pushed to the side.
VR and AR are the same. It was and still is supposed to be the next big thing. Another one would be language models and “A.I.”. But because all those “new things” tend to be massively over hyped by people who often don’t really understand it and just have dollar signs in their eyes, they inevitably support the wrong thing every once in a while.
The instance has been around for years now and it was always very clear that it wants to be a “save space” which is heavily moderated. Why is that a problem? Let them do what they want, it’s their instance.
Temporararily is the keywprd here…