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Fuck Quebec

Well fuck you too pal, I thought it was a good analogy.

If humans are just brains why are we smarter than dogs who also have brains?

How crucial is it to move these rocks? What’s the deadline? How many rocks need to be moved? Are there safety procedures in check, and will safety equipment be provided?

Yes. Let’s introduce OSHA standards into a theoretical example where moving rocks feeds people.

All the while spinning a billion bullshit nonsense side points.

Labor has a supply.

Labor has a demand.

To dismiss that is to dismiss reality. Yes. The nature of labor can change and some sorts of work can be abandoned when there is a shortage. No. That doesn’t invalidate scarcity and your “degrowth is good and okay” seems tor to just be a hilarious and twisted rationalization of how when your ideals cause the economy (and more importantly the general will being of people in the nation) to collapse that it’s actually a good thing.

Let’s imagine I had 100 rocks. For some reason I have to move them in order to feed everyone.

If I have one person I can move one rock a day.

With two people I can move two rocks.

And so on and so forth.

There is a labor demand - the need to move rocks.

And a labor supply - the number of people you have available to move rocks.

You can’t mind game your way out of that. Call it a commodity or not, you still need X people to do Y tasks and the discrepancy between the tasks and the people you have to do them is a measure and very real thing.

Because I did

Arrogance that knows no bounds.

You can’t “I don’t see labor as a commodity” your way out of scarcity. That’s just hilariously absurd.

Literally head in the sand sort of thinking.

destroyed by the British 1000 years before I was born

You acted like they still existed. In that case my original point still applies.

Those gift economies don’t work at scale and you would probably have a significantly worse quality of life if you were born to one.

It’s been a good couple of years for news coming out of China.

Maybe we’ll hear about to xi having a heart attack next

Move there then.

Best method we have found so far. If you want cookie cutter efficient ass state made beds you can move off to the… Well, every state who has tried has collapsed so you’re shit out of luck.

The beds in that store are for accumulation of wealth

…selling people beds so they have beds to sleep in. Beds that aren’t riddled with bugs thanks to the store not being a homeless shelter.

But why male models?

it makes ZERO sense to me that the U.S. hasn’t provided everything possible to push Russia out.

Israel

China

Venezuela getting prepared to invade one of its neighbors.

Couple of nations in Africa are getting ready to go to war too, I forget what the name of it was, Uganda? They’re wanting to get a path to the ocean.

The United States needs to be ready not only to fight in Ukraine, but also about four other places in the world right now. I’m in full support of giving them everything possible, but there’s a lot of valid reason not to go full of ham.

is doing that by lifting restrictions it previously had on the number of kids per family.

No. They are trying to culturally push people to have kids now. Dropping one child not only didn’t work, their birth rates went down since then.

Putin asking Russians to make more kids won’t magically improve demographics

No, but Putin can do more than ask. So can China.

1 - Russia tries to force migrants into Finland.

2 - Finland closes borders.

3 - Russia forced to accept migrants.

Perfect outcome.

Kids are cheap. All you really need is food and people.

Schools and car seats and houses are expensive, but if a generation has tons of kids, you’ll have the manpower to make those things in 15 years.

Russia is kind of fucked right now and not only in demographic decline, but making it worse by killing half their young people. Will they pull out of it? Probably not.

But can they afford it? They absolutely can. And it’s bad news for the rest of the world if they do. Don’t underestimate this move. Especially because China is doing the same.

But the site I linked to above is selling this service and it’s telling me I can use the images in any way I want

Then the site is wrong to tell you that you can use the images in any way you want.

Or you are wrong for assuming you can intentionally violate copyright and trademark by using the AI tool to generate Micky mouse and then get all offended that “but the site told me I can use the pictures, it’s their fault”.

what happens when the output is extremely similar to a character I’ve never

Nobody knows yet. For the most part it hasn’t happened. Big services like DallE will assume all legal liability for you. Small services? It’s on you to make sure the image is clean.

The end result is that the copyright of everything not widely recognizable is practically meaningless if we accept this practice

You seem to have forgotten a small detail here.

This is already how it works. Every character has thousands and thousands of fan works, often supported by artists with donations and patreons. The status quo is that none of them get caught and sued until they get big enough, and that anyone who tries to sue these people are assholes abusing copyright law even they’re legally correct.

This is not a magical device that can “draw anything”,

Straw man?

Reading comprehension. This is an argument-by-comparion. It shows how your point is absurd and doesn’t work by comparing it against a magical machine that doesn’t yet exist. It shows how your idea of how copyright should work here is regressive, harmful, and dangerous by pointing out that you seem to believe that just because something could violate copyright that it should be prevented from existing, being used, or being sold.

This is a mundane device whose sole function is to try to copy patterns from its input set

You don’t own a copyright on a pattern or a brushstroke. You own copyright on works of art.

If you want to prove me wrong, make your own model without a single image of Micky Mouse or a tag with his name, then try to get it to draw him like I did before

Are you suggesting it will be impossible to do this? Because this will be quickly proven wrong and there will be a day and a description specific enough to produce Micky mouse from a machine that’s never seen it.

The mere fact that it will happen one day is enough. I don’t have to literally go invent it today.

There are many ways this could be done ethically

It’s already being done ethically.

Would it be transformative if I sold you a database of base64 encoded images? What about if they were encrypted

No.

Also no.

There is a long history of examples set by court cases on what does or doesn’t count as transformative. Law is very good at handling exceptions like this and it’s been handling them for decades.

An encoding is not transformative. It’s just the same information sent a different way. Same with encryption.

Hell, you can hire me to paint based on prompts you give me. That’s the exact same service an AI provides, no? I’m going to study copyrighted materials to get better at my service.

All perfectly legal and commonly done.

So you give me the prompt “Mickey Mouse” and I draw this. This is “custom art”. You think you can use that commercially?

No. Not for you and not with AI generated art either.

Copyright controls your ability to copy and distribute creative works. You can learn to draw Micky mouse, you can even draw Micky mouse, but anyone who tries to sell or distribute that copy can and probably will quickly get sued for it.

And if you realize that you can’t, why do you think I should be able to legally sell you this service?

If AI companies were predominantly advertising themselves as “we make your pictures of Micky mouse” you’d have a valid point.

But at this point you’re basically arguing that it should be impossible to sell a magical machine that can draw anything you ask from it because it could be asked to draw copyright images.

Courts will see that argument, realize it’s absurd, and shut it down.

Seems like a petty technicality to me.

They are selling access to the AI model which draws pictures. Not the original pictures, nor clones of those pictures. A machine to which you can input a prompt that is basically anything and get custom art back as a result.

Also there are companies like stability AI which is providing direct access to the model itself, and I’m sure you’re against them as well.

An AI trained on a single image would also probably be fine if it was somehow a generalist AI that didn’t overfit on that single image. The quantity really doesn’t matter.