… Unless you’re going to tell me her campaign was somehow unaware of this fairly widely published IMEU poll.

They were in a bubble of other blue-no-matter-who media and were assured by the consultants from Clinton’s campaign and the Labour Party that they could ignore those polls.

So really, it would have taken a big enough push from the public that MSNBC became anti-genocide. Hypothetically it could have happened, but the Democratic base is too disorganized to pull that kind of bottom-up messaging coup off.

If Democrats knew they’d lose for supporting genocide,.they wouldn’t have done it. It’s precisely because blue-no-matter-who voters convinced them that they were invincible that they ended up losing. They thought they could bully the base into voting for them because enough of the base was willing to be bullied and proud of it.

On the other side, Trump is more likely to lose the war on Palestine.

Because they’re Redditeurs

They burned a police station down. That’s not something people do when they’re too comfortable.

It was a revolutionary moment, there just wasn’t an organized political force or party to take control of the situation and push forward an agenda. It was merely more of the same leaderless horizonalism that characterized the 2010s. That shit doesn’t work, but that doesn’t mean nothing else was possible. We won’t have a revolution just because people are uncomfortable. It requires organizing, which is what we should be doing right now and immediately after Trump steals the election.

Oh I absolutely loved it, don’t get me wrong. I lived through that decade as my own political awakening, so every single event described was something I watched super closely and posted about and participated in as part of the online activist space (and sometimes in person!)

Your observation that the social media companies can leverage and benefit from these protest movements (and perhaps even create them) is important, I think. It’s probably why Musk bought Twitter, he wanted to wield that kind of power over the masses and their ability to organize. It seems to have worked, too. We don’t see anything like what we saw in the 2010s these days.

I read another book along similar lines called If We Burn, which was a broader look at the 2010s protest movements that sprung up from online activism. What I took away from it is that most of that activism was hollow and didn’t have a political vision or party program, it was just the masses shouting “No!” at their shitty governments. It was also easily put down once people in power got used to it.

The largest protest movement in US history happened under Trump. People aren’t that comfortable, and you yourself probably believe Trump is going to make a lot of people very uncomfortable.

I won’t lift a finger to vote for genocide. You can twist yourself into ideological knots to convince yourself that voting for genocide will save Palestinians, but I see the truth. The only chance Palestinians have is if the US and Israel are defeated.

Which president is more likely to lose against the Axis of Resistance?

It’s not just “other people” that make those experiences bad.

It’s specific people.

Palestinians aren’t being given asylum right now. Trump just said the quiet part out loud.e

And honestly, I’m pessimistic about us being able to resist Harris. We certainly failed to resist Biden. It can certainly be done, but there’s a gulf of difference between “we can do it” and “we will do it.” That’s why I also pointed out that if Trump wins the liberals will join us instead of just sitting around at home to wait for the next election.

Voting for genocide won’t stop genocide either. Harris has made it abundantly clear that she will support Israel no matter what.

The only recourse for us is to defeat the US.

Oh so it’s okay to exterminate the population of Gaza as long as a few are able to escape to the US.

Also, have you noticed that Palestinians aren’t being given asylum right now?

Not a step ladder.

The ladder that stepped up!

Wait

Helen of Troy? Is this a crossover?

What you can do is take your struggle outside the ballot box, because there’s no hope in electoralism. No matter who wins we can defeat them, and at least if Trump wins the liberals will join us instead of just sitting around at home to wait for the next election.

Would you vote for half your family to be killed so the other half could maybe be spared? How do you choose which family members get to live and die? How would you live with yourself.

I plan to resist whoever is elected. Maybe you’ll join me, instead of just waiting another four years to vote again.

That’s definitely not why people use Chicken Little as an Aesop. The lesson is that if you lie over and over, people won’t believe you when it matters.

I certainly don’t.

If you remember the lesson of that parable, no one believes the chicken when the sky falls and the chicken has no one to blame but himself. You can’t keep saying it’s the most important election of our lifetimes because we stop believing it.

And maybe the sky falls this time, but it’s the chicken’s fault that we don’t believe it.

Alternatively, the sky didn’t fall last time so it probably won’t fall this time.

We already saw that he didn’t destroy democracy or start WW3. You can credit that to “sane people” limiting him but the fact is that what we saw wasn’t the Fourth Reich. It was just a shitty Republican president.