Shouldn’t they have changed by the same amount?
No. Why would they? Even if everyone voted (which isn’t even remotely close to being true) populations also change.
Populations change from birth, death, emigration and immigration. I highly doubt more democrats than republicans died/emigrated/abstained. It is much more likely that this skewed data is due to something else
Although I’ve been pointing at these numbers as well, it’s worth noting that the effects of the electoral college is still important.
Dem votes were up in PA and GA from 2020. Maybe other swing states as well, haven’t looked. Trump’s just went up more.
Either way, I think all of the brilliant minds who decided to withhold their votes for Kamala for whatever reason maybe weren’t being very pragmatic given the reality of the binary outcome set.
We must be truly desperate to look to the electoral college for help.
Hey this is neat, but can you include lines to relate it to the number of eligible voters?
could you do it since you are the one that wants to see it ?
So I just checked, but couldn’t find any data yet for 2024. The US Census Bureau has data online up to 2022, same for Statista. Judging from the past releases it would take a year or so for the information to be compiled and released. Looks like we’ll have to wait.
I’m reporting this. Not beautiful. Very painful. Make me cry.
How did 10 million fewer Democrat voters, only +500k to Republicans, but have basically the same high voter turnout?
where did you get that we have the same turnout both times?
Honour and Cultivation said so
This feels like a Sanderson reference, but I still don’t get it. What are you trying to express?
edit: Oh. replying to “odium”.
Sorry. I was tired and wanted to get something out before it was too late.
But yeah, a lame attempt at a Sanderson reference
It’s looking like a slightly lower turnout, but also there’s 5+ million votes still to count. So Trump will gain votes even though turnout is down. Pretty bad times, never been more disappointed in the electorate.
When you find yourself disappointed with the world, that’s a good moment to stop and ask yourself “what am I not seeing?”
I can believe that Trump won on the backs of “people voting only for Trump and no one else on the ballot”, since Trump was running far ahead of all the other republican candidates. Means once Trump dies of old age, there will be a power vacuum. Remember, democrats have run two women and Biden in the decade span that republicans have only ran Trump.
where are the rest of the parties?
They didn’t matter
Maybe you should search for some old threads and tell the blue conservatives that were foaming at the mouth over 3rd parties existing.
Are they working on solving First-past-the-post voting in there state now that the election is over? We will see.
The others are saying no one cares or they don’t matter, but they do if that’s where those “missing” votes went
It is not
According to Wikipedia data, it’s a decrease of 0.3 percentage points from 1.9% in 2020 to 1.6% of votes that didn’t go democrat or republican.
Though 5% of the votes are still not reported, so that might change still.
In all the swing states they were less than the difference between the two parties.
Eessentially Democrats last i checked and calculated on Friday lost 4 swing states that would change the outcome by around 250k votes.
On the “no one cares about the other parties” graph
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The ones who didn’t show up elected Trump. Good job, self-righteous dipshits.
They didn’t show up because they spent four years under Trump and four years under Biden, and all they got for the effort of voting in those elections was being significantly poorer, so why forego a day’s pay?
You’re the self-righteous dipshit for not caring about the quality of people you vote for.
Who would have thought giving trillions in Tax refunds to billionaires would result in the rest of the population being worse off?!??? And the nerve of Biden using policy to stop the runaway inflation Trump caused! Don’t worry, those people are all about to find out what real pain is when the cost of things start reflecting trumps proposed tariffs…
Here’s a chart I made of the differences:
2012 2016 2020 2024Republican 60.9M ──────▶ 63.0M ──────▶ 74.2M ──────▶ 74.1M Democrat 65.9M ──────▶ 65.9M ──────▶ 81.2M ──────▶ 70.3M Libertarian 1.3M ──────▶ 4.5M ──────▶ 1.9M ──────▶ 0.6M Green 0.5M ──────▶ 1.5M ──────▶ 0.4M ──────▶ 0.7M (Votes in the millions)
- Interesting Libertarian went way up the first time trump ran then back down the second time and even further the third. Does that mean they switched to trump or didn’t run? What makes a libertarian dislike trump the first time but prefer him the first and second?
- Green also went up the first and third time trump ran. One might assume they voted biden the second but maybe harris or not vote the third?
- Democrats went up the second time trump ran but it seems lost 10 mil the third time
- Appears around 12 mil voters are unaccounted for or didn’t vote
Your chart needs formatting.
Party | 2012 | 2016 | 2020 | 2024
Republican | 60.9M | 63.0M | 74.2M | 74.1M
Democrat | 65.9M | 65.9M | 81.2M | 70.3M
Libertarian | 1.3M | 4.5M | 1.9M | 0.6M
Green | 0.5M | 1.5M | 0.4M | 0.7Mgoddammit
Haha! Pinche BBS code!
seems more lopsided than it should
People need motivation to vote. A selective tax credit or “other guy bad” simply isn’t enough. You can complain all you want about how stupid people are for not voting against fascism, but if you cannot face the reality of voters and how to get them to vote then how much smarter can you really call yourself over others? This is a lesson that apparently needs to be learned every election yet never seems to be learned.
One of my team members is based in the US, and he told me after the election: “The media told us all about how bad Trump was. But nobody ever told us how good Kamala was.” I guess voting only for the lesser evil has its limits.
Honestly not even Kamala said how good she was, most of what she was asked she immediately turned into “Trump bad”.
Honestly a lot of the questions in interviews were she did that, she was given a tough question that had the easy out of taking the more progressive stance but instead of giving a firm answer she’d attack Trump, presumably because she didn’t want to be too “radical” in supporting policies that voters generally like
Progressive issues poll astronomically high across dems, repubs, and independents. Find one. Say you will do it, and people will come vote for it.
Won’t anyone think of the Super PAC donors? /$
Truly spoken.
Lot of pro-status-quo sentiment on Lemmy. The election is over too so bots might not be as high, a potential indicator of actual sentiment of Lemmings.
Have to keep pushing this else nothing ever changes
The problem also is that there was quite a bit of voter intimidation of people with Trump flags heavily armed in some places “to make sure it’s a fair election”, Trump supporters choosing violence, and other issues like ballot boxes being burned, and ballots not coming to people preventing them from voting.
This could help explain why 10 million less votes happened this year for the Democrats because they could have been fearful of voting or just unable.
(And this also doesn’t include mailing ballots just being refused to be counted over simple issues as signatures not looking close enough to what’s on file.)
Oh, the Republicans will give them a reason to vote, just wait a bit and see, lol. If Republicans deregulating banks caused a “great recession”, I’m very curious what voters just bought for us by voting for a platform of deregulating everything.
No, I think people will enjoy the taste of curb and a swift kick to the head for the next 4-8 years. It really puts things in perspective.
And that’ll work exactly once, just like it did in 2020. Then after four more years of compromising with fascism, it won’t work again, and they’ll lose to the greater evil.
Just kidding, we’re not going to have real elections again.
Just kidding, we’re not going to have real elections again.
Absolutely. One Russian opposition politician described Putin’s first term by saying: “We thought we could get rid of him in the next elections.” But that didn’t happen as we know. When someone comes to power and quickly removes checks and balances, it becomes very difficult to reverse that. Democracy is not guaranteed, even in the US.
Tbf, theyre still counting some ballots, although minimal
Does anyone have the % change by state?
Not that I expect to see anything weird, but 12.4% stands out to me.
Dems unmistakeably snatched defeat from the jaws of victory, but it beggars belief that all the indictments and treason didn’t undermine Trump’s popularity any. The right-wing media machine must be one of the most effective brainwashing apparatuses ever to exist.
They didn’t vote “for him” so he didn’t matter, they voted instead against trans athletes and forced child trans surgeries and whatever other manufactured conspiracy theories were peddled confidently.
It’s more about the puberty blockers than surgery. That’s the focus from my media sources.
Are they doing surgeries on kids too?
Oh you know how it is - they throw just a ton of stuff out there in order to see what will stick. Yeah puberty blockers are among them - and ngl that is kinda messed up if a doctor is trying to push something that dangerous onto a child (established trans communities in the EU even agree on that point - yikes, how bad does something have to be when even the conservatives manage to piece together a half-assed understanding that something is dangerous!?).
But there’s so much more - trans athletes being in the same bathroom and how unfair it is that e.g. a testosterone-having person can compete on identical grounds as one lacking that. That one too is a hot topic of contention even outside of conservative circles as well.
The surgery issue was more like “gender-affirming care offered at a school”, and iirc it was mostly a purely hypothetical, b/c since when is America known for offering HEALTHCARE, amiright!? Also, I said “forced”, but the real thing was that the child wanted it, while the parents did not, hence you know, “forced”, b/c the parents (who own the child, fully legally) did not desire it.
The real truths, like abortion, and the economy, and literally all other facts, kinda get buried when we begin to discuss how factual matters can best be “used” for political gains.
I have read more than a few stories of teenage girls getting perfectly healthy breasts removed due to “gender identity”. It’s not widespread like it’s happening every day, but it happens.
The surgery stuff is overblown, but men playing in women’s sports is becoming more common, and whether leftists want to admit it or not, it matters to people, especially parents, for obvious reasons.
Until they stop supporting it, if nothing else, they’ll forever give conservatives a legit talking point.
In his words, puberty blockers and other drugs that were not approved by the FDA for their specific use.
Isn’t it already known that the trump fans are zealots for him. The fact that people are shocked that they’ll turn out for him regardless of what he does surprises me. He practically said this in 2016 with his I could shoot somebody quote and he’s been proven right. The only way you beat trump is by having people turn out to vote against him and to do that you need to run an inspiring campaign.
He raised a ton of money immediately following the convictions, which he then use to buy world series ads. The convictions without sentencing helped him. That judge knew exactly what she was doing when she delayed sentencing. Welp, it’s after the election, so is she going to sentence him? Didn’t think so.
They have perfected targeted misinformation. you should see how many fake accounts there are even in local Facebook groups. It’s crazy.
You can call it brainwashing or whatever you like.
To me, the fact that Trump’s indictments came as a result of enormous attention by his political rivals, during an election, gives me less respect for the implications in terms of his character.
Like, the timing is a little suspect on these legal indictments.
You definitely sound brainwashed
What’s your stance on the about with Hilary before and during the election up to and including Trump pressing for investigation and moreso to “lock her up”.
why do you care about timing?
He got more popular, came more into the limelight and then committed more crimes. Then he was indicted because he was in the Spotlight and his crimes were too numerous and oblivious to ignore.
He did the crimes, that’s what matters. He is a felon and a repeat criminal.
Apparently the Dems where aware of the massive popularity Trump had. Their internal polling showed him taking 400 electoral votes. At least that’s the story being brought now. If true there never was a jaws of victory, it was all posturing by the Dems. And then it’s a shame those 71M voters still came, more should have stayed home… to signal the party top brass to go fuck themselves.
Edit: I don’t understand the down votes. The lesson dem leadership is seemingly drawing is they need to move right and abandon LGBTQ subjects. While is argue the lesson should be, move left and care about stuff like universal healthcare and job security more.
Well he didn’t get 400 electoral votes, so their sources weren’t good. Though vs Biden he might have.
Yes, and the fact that Biden stepped down and endorsed Harris, nuking a democratic primary should be seen in a completely different light then.
