For example, let’s say Bernie Sanders was the nominee in 2024 against Trump. A lot of people on the internet seem to like him, even some conservatives. But would liberals fall in line and vote for him enough to beat Trump?
Bernie’s supporters always seem to attack the Democrats liberal base, do you think they’d sit home if Bernie or any leftist was the nominee.
I sincerely have no idea.
The narrative that a leftist couldn’t win is repeated so predictably and so often and by so many people that the whole idea has become sort of detached from reality, and there’s no telling what would happen if it was actually a possibility.
And particularly since the one thing I’d pretty much guarantee is that the concerted efforts on the part of the ruling class to prevent a leftist from running would be as nothing compared to what they’d do and say in order to prevent one from winning.
No, they’d side with the corporations cause they luv them
So he’d lose?
Yes
Would Bernie have paid off the electoral college members like the felon rapist did?
that’s not how the electoral college works tho. in most states, an elector not voting in accordance with the state’s popular vote is against the law. trump only gained 3 votes with faithless electors in 2016, and that was a record (not counting the time 63 electors switched because their pledged candidate died); no faithless elector votes counted in 2020 nor 2024.
Explain Bush Jr then. Popular vote was against him.
It’s simple math in which every elector voted for their state’s popular vote winner (and that’s if you discount Bush v. Gore, which I’m assume you’re doing here, otherwise we’d be debating an issue that has no relation to the electoral college at all); all the votes for the losing candidate statewide are discounted. Never has an elector been “paid off” to vote against their state’s popular vote.
I’m not sure you’ve been paying attention lately. These people are not paragons of virtue and they won’t be making a press release about getting paid off.
So the electors were paid to vote for a specific candidate by monied interests, and it happened to be the candidate who won the plurality of votes in every state? That’s a remarkable coincidence.
I don’t think you know that electors have a public ballot and people know when tallies don’t match up with statewide popular vote counts. You should read up on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact#Motivation, especially the linked https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College#Difference_with_popular_vote which has a helpful graphic.
No. When you leave social media echo chambers like Lemmy, you hear liberals and others right of center talking about how Kamala was too liberal.
That’s just the dishonest pundets though… and the people ratcheting the Dems right. Kamala ran on a Y2K republican program and got annihilated because Y2K republicans are now maga and there are no moderate republicans.
No. And they’ve said as much.
“Clinton would not pledge to support Sanders if he won the 2020 Democratic nomination.”
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-sen-bernie-sanders-likes/story?id=68424746
“However – I do reject socialism as a economic system. If people have that view, that’s their view. That is not the view of the Democratic Party.” - Pelosi
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/15/politics/nancy-pelosi-socialism/index.html
It’s so sad to see this, especially knowing that while you can like or dislike Clinton and Pelosi, I doubt they are unware that Sanders is not proposing socialism. Socialism and social democracy are two very, vastly different things. And they for sure know this very well.
I sincerely hope that Sanders will found a new party soon, it will have 4 years to gain momentum. Will it win in the next election cycle? No, but it might actually get enough votes to win in 8 or 12 years. Just do it.
Assuming Bernie could get on the ticket, I absolutely believe people would have voted for him.
The problem is of course getting him on the ticket.
I mean that’s how Obama won his first term so probably yes.
No. Liberals have always been closer to fascists than socialists. Look which way liberals in Weimar Germany went.
We know the answer to that from how Bernie was treated
I mean, at least for me, the question is “Who?”
In more ways than one. It’s quite evident to me now that a candidate needs to be charismatic, not just have some good ideas, to motivate voters to take their side. But “leftism” and “leftist” are still pretty vague labels. Just personally, some of the left-wing figures in the US today would earn my vote and some would not. More broadly, and I think there’d be a big difference between voters-at-large’s willingness to accept Bernie-esque proposals and some of the more out-there stuff I’ve seen.
If they had believable policies, and realistic paths to achieve them, absolutely I would.
No question.
I don’t know, we should do this and find out.
The DNC will never let a leftist get past the primaries. They’d sooner lose, as they’ve shown us for the last 3 elections.
Maybe, but that’s not the question.
I think it’s fair to say that ~80% of voters will just follow whatever their party’s media outlets say they should vote for. If a proper leftist and actually got the DNC nomination, I don’t think many classic liberals would think twice about voting for them.
I would have voted for him… In 2016, 20, 24
But DNC and their owners won’t do that. So fuck them.
