As it stands, their home is not a safe cradle anymore. If they see no future for themselves there, then there’s no reason not to start anew somewhere else.
Yes, that would mean that Israel will win, the evil tyrants will have succeeded in their plans of complete domination. Welcome to the rest of the world!
Right now, Palestinians are dying for nothing. They lose in every realistic scenario. They have no real allies, no real government, no real army, no real desire to become independent. They simply are there.
Yet they can ask to go or be helped to go anywhere else and live and equal or better life. Organizations love sending migrants anywhere these days.
Getting rid of Palestine as a concept, as an open-air prison, is the best option for Palestinians right now. But forcing two people who hate each other to live together is not the peaceful or proper solution, it’s setting them apart.
US likes Israel being there. Don’t like it, convince US to stop. Can’t do that, move the Palestinians.
If you want to save the Palestinians, that’s the best thing to do. If you want to be on the right side of ethics, go ahead and keep the Palestinians in that futureless prison while you rage at Israel for being nazis. That’ll show them!
I really hope you relaize the depth of evil it takes to suggest that they should just leave. No different than saying the Holocaust only happened because the jews refused to leave Germany. Their home was unsafe for them but they decided to stay, and according to you that makes it their fault.
They will not leave. They will hunker down and survive. Hope for better days. Conquered people have done this for all of history. Hell, Jews have done this exact thing over millenia, for them survival itself is success, it’s the bedrock of so many of their celebrations. Ironically, this it seems is a lesson they might end up passing to the Palestinians.
Most Israeli have either a European passport or a US passport, that’s why they were able to flee en masse when Hamas started retaliating. But Palestinians have nothing, they can’t leave, and even if they tried their best to get through the Egyptian border, the IDF has already bombed the Rafah crossing to Egypt.
What do you want them to do? Grow gills and go live in the sea? Even that wouldn’t work as the Israeli navy shoots at anyone who gets too far away from the shore. You have no clue what you’re talking about.
Logistical and ethical issues aside, they literally cannot move. Gaza is fenced, one crossing north that’s a fortress, with permits to leave or enter and a Mossad shakedown either way you’re going, and on the southern end you have an Egyptian crossing that’s closed thanks to normalization between Israel and Egypt. The sea is blockaded.
Gaza Strip is a ghetto, prison for 2 million people.
That’s not brainteasers or evil, there’s a fucking wall of text of nuance in front of you, you should read it. He’s not saying it’s good, or that it’s right, he’s saying it’s smart to leave.
If you want to live, with the best chances, leaving makes sense.
If you want your children to grow up somewhere where they don’t fear for their lives, leaving makes sense.
If you don’t want to be subject to the attacks of a hostile nation that is basically mandated to be directly next to you, leaving makes sense.
It’s terrible, I would hate to have to leave my home and the place of my community due to violence. But I am not so attached to any piece of land that it is worth more than my life or the life of my family. If people choose not to leave, I understand the reasoning, but I still believe it a safer and smarter option to leave.
You do realize that these people cannot “just leave”, right? Where are they going to go? That’s literally the whole point of it being a braindead take, you aren’t putting yourself in their shoes and instead are using your comparably comfortable life to say they should leave.
So yes, the original comment I replied to is braindead and so is yours.
They should leave.
As it stands, their home is not a safe cradle anymore. If they see no future for themselves there, then there’s no reason not to start anew somewhere else.
Yes, that would mean that Israel will win, the evil tyrants will have succeeded in their plans of complete domination. Welcome to the rest of the world!
Right now, Palestinians are dying for nothing. They lose in every realistic scenario. They have no real allies, no real government, no real army, no real desire to become independent. They simply are there.
Yet they can ask to go or be helped to go anywhere else and live and equal or better life. Organizations love sending migrants anywhere these days.
Getting rid of Palestine as a concept, as an open-air prison, is the best option for Palestinians right now. But forcing two people who hate each other to live together is not the peaceful or proper solution, it’s setting them apart.
US likes Israel being there. Don’t like it, convince US to stop. Can’t do that, move the Palestinians.
If you want to save the Palestinians, that’s the best thing to do. If you want to be on the right side of ethics, go ahead and keep the Palestinians in that futureless prison while you rage at Israel for being nazis. That’ll show them!
If your home is bad for you, move.
I really hope you relaize the depth of evil it takes to suggest that they should just leave. No different than saying the Holocaust only happened because the jews refused to leave Germany. Their home was unsafe for them but they decided to stay, and according to you that makes it their fault.
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You don’t know anything about history.
They will not leave. They will hunker down and survive. Hope for better days. Conquered people have done this for all of history. Hell, Jews have done this exact thing over millenia, for them survival itself is success, it’s the bedrock of so many of their celebrations. Ironically, this it seems is a lesson they might end up passing to the Palestinians.
And where would they go?
Most Israeli have either a European passport or a US passport, that’s why they were able to flee en masse when Hamas started retaliating. But Palestinians have nothing, they can’t leave, and even if they tried their best to get through the Egyptian border, the IDF has already bombed the Rafah crossing to Egypt.
What do you want them to do? Grow gills and go live in the sea? Even that wouldn’t work as the Israeli navy shoots at anyone who gets too far away from the shore. You have no clue what you’re talking about.
Logistical and ethical issues aside, they literally cannot move. Gaza is fenced, one crossing north that’s a fortress, with permits to leave or enter and a Mossad shakedown either way you’re going, and on the southern end you have an Egyptian crossing that’s closed thanks to normalization between Israel and Egypt. The sea is blockaded.
Gaza Strip is a ghetto, prison for 2 million people.
It would be a shame if your hometown got bombed and someone told you that you should “just leave”. What an evil, braindead take.
That’s not brainteasers or evil, there’s a fucking wall of text of nuance in front of you, you should read it. He’s not saying it’s good, or that it’s right, he’s saying it’s smart to leave.
If you want to live, with the best chances, leaving makes sense.
If you want your children to grow up somewhere where they don’t fear for their lives, leaving makes sense.
If you don’t want to be subject to the attacks of a hostile nation that is basically mandated to be directly next to you, leaving makes sense.
It’s terrible, I would hate to have to leave my home and the place of my community due to violence. But I am not so attached to any piece of land that it is worth more than my life or the life of my family. If people choose not to leave, I understand the reasoning, but I still believe it a safer and smarter option to leave.
Struck a nerve, did I?
You do realize that these people cannot “just leave”, right? Where are they going to go? That’s literally the whole point of it being a braindead take, you aren’t putting yourself in their shoes and instead are using your comparably comfortable life to say they should leave.
So yes, the original comment I replied to is braindead and so is yours.
I absolutely am not saying it’s easy, hell if I even know if it’s possible for many. Why are you so hostile?
It’s not possible for most, that’s the point. You saying that they should leave is ignorant at best and “hostile” at worst.
The colonizers must leave.