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Gotta love how they told people to go south then bombed them there, as well as hospitals. And they can just say every target, no matter how many civilians die, was a “Hamas target” and it’s “Hamas’ responsibility to protect civilians” while they indiscriminately bomb these civilians.
Crazy that more people aren’t speaking up against this.
They told people to evacuate and then bombed the evacuation routes.
Israeli spokespersons keep saying they’re fighting Nazis, but I only see Nazis on their side of this.
Israel taking a page out of Putin’s playbook
Once Palestinians starteing evacuating North Gaza, Israel bombed the humanitarian corridor that they’d declared as safe.
Russia did the same to Ukrainians last year and EU & NATO & UN supported Ukraine. Now they support Israel.
I swear to God, I can’t name another country that takes such little criticism ever in the MSM other than Israel.
A fucking hospital ffs.
Their WW2 guilt trip game be strong.
For many it’s the sunk cost fallacy.
They’ve rhetorically, unreservedly supported Israel for half a century, and they will not be reexamining those intransigent beliefs today, thank you very much.
"The Doctor: How much blood will spill until everybody does what they’re always going to have to do from the very beginning – sit down and talk! Listen to me, listen. I just – I just want you to think. Do you know what thinking is? It’s just a fancy word for changing your mind.
Bonnie: I will not change my mind.
The Doctor: Then you will die stupid."
-Steven Moffat, excerpt from Doctor Who
The other option is supporting a “government” that is not only unwilling to talk, not only is labeled internationally as a terrorist organization, but also lists the murder of all Jews as part of their charter.
Hamas car bombed the evacuation route killing many of their own citizens.
If it was any other West Asian country doing this, the entire West would be denouncing them and taking action. But because its Israel doing it, this is fine.
Because there are consequences of you go against the grain. It’s all about money…always. Palestinians have little to no money and influence.
It’s sad that this type of comment can be and is often spun as “antisemitism”
Agreed. It’s also frustrating that the labeling of anything anti-Zionist as anti-Semitism just gives actual anti-Semites the opportunity to claim their actual anti-Semitism is anything but.
I will never fault someone for standing up for their people. In fact, one has to admire the fact that this person put their money (and reputation) where their mouth is. We strongly disagree on the matter, but antisemitism has nothing to do with it.
A question, for me, is where is the same pressure from other players? Where are the mega rich Arabs and Muslims pulling their funding because somebody didn’t put out a pro-Palestine message. Step up!
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(although we should be careful not to be tricked into thinking all militants, including those giving orders, are religious extremists - reportedly Hamas’ campaign on the 7th was ordered to take hostages and not kill civilians, and that the IDF basically implemented the Hannibal Doctrine against it’s own civilians leading to significant friendly fire casualties [even as reported by an Israeli who was held hostage and later interviewed on Israeli news]; you can see how murky the waters get in a propaganda war).
Can you share some of the reporting behind this use of ‘reportedly’. I have never seen this reported before though I am admittedly not reading everything.
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It’s difficult to tell if you believe it or not because you’ve referenced it within a larger point about how much confusion there is, but it seems like you believe it enough to repeat it. If so, what about the article makes you believe it or not?
Arabs think of palestians as white trash cousins you don’t want at your wedding…
Also, US keeping them on a short lease with arms sales
Arabs think of palestians as white trash cousins you don’t want at your wedding…
I have no idea if this is true or not but it seems like a gross generalization.
Also, US keeping them on a short lease with arms sales
Irrelevant. I’m talking about individuals not governments.
Arab peoples and states behaviors speak for themselves.
Fact that most most of the aid for Gaza came from the west, should be indication enough about how other Arabs feel about this issue…
They are fine with palestiains suffering as along as Israel keep getting rockets.
the toxic sludge of racism + Islamophobia = support and empowerment for Israel to ethnically cleanse Palestine of Palestinians.
The other, possibly larger, part of it is the fear of being labeled antisemitic. Antisemitism is a huge problem all over the world but Jews aren’t to blame for what’s going on - Zionist are.
Yep. And yet Israel is giving the rest of the world more excuses for antisemitism. Who is even winning this “war,” other than Bibi and his toadies?
No one. Jews everywhere will take a reputation hit from the public at large because Bibi pretends to speak for them.
I grew up in a Jewish neighborhood. I worked at a Jewish family business. I have lots of Jewish friends. And I’ve yet to meet a Jew who likes the guy…even the ones who support an Israeli state.
Agreed. I’m Jewish and have never supported Israel, but my parents do and even they hate him.
I think I support the idea of Israel because they’ve historically been a target of genocide but I recognize that it’s not my land being given away to make it. It’s the perpetual expansion if Israel that bothers me.
Zionists originally wanted a homeland and they got it. Now, Zionists want an empire. I’m pretty sure Palestine won’t exist after this conflict. You give a mouse a cookie…
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Zionism is just Israeli patriotism.
Zionism is by definition a nationalist ideology.
So wait, the problem is the existence of Israel?
I read there was a protest on London recently
It’s OK, they are others.
I’m so fucking mad that THIS is the reason people are saying congress needs to get it’s shit together. Fuck you(them, not YOU). We shouldn’t be sending aid to anyone over there right now. It’s too messy and everyone sucks too much.
Representatives should be working 23.5 hours a day to get this country running again FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE. Not so they can approve more money to assist Isreal in killing more civilians. Fucking absolutely indicative of the fact that We The People no longer have representation in the government. O KY rhe 1% get representation now, and they want revelations to come true so bad they will throw money at the middle East until “it happens”.
Fuck the government, fuck the police, and fuck all these toxic ass Christians. So tired of government sponsored domestic terrorism being normalized.
I’m not so sure, we’re pretty self-absorbed in the west. I haven’t heard anything about Kurds in Syria or Saudi Arabia and Yemen lately. There is also the Rohingya in Myanmar and the Uyghur in China, though they aren’t located in West Asia.
Have you not heard about the beheaded babies?
Israel got blank check from rest of the world, Gaza residents will be punished and aint nobody gonna do shit. If Arab states won’t do shit, what can we expect from anyone else.
Sucks to be a Gaza resident, but it is a small price to pay for jewish people to have their own country.
what beheaded babies?
Settlers made up a lie about Hamas beheading 40 babies and tricked Biden into saying he saw pictures.
It was later corrected: he didn’t see any pictures because there are no pictures.
Thanks. I do know about it, but didn’t know whether @sadreality was being sarcastic or serious. & was trying to find out.
Sarcastic
Thanks. Sorry for doubting you, There are so many kooks out here that its difficult to make out.
A fake story used as propaganda to manufacture consent for the genocide of Palestinians. Mainstream media and celebrities were repeating it blindly a week ago saying 40 beheaded babies were found
Thanks. I do know about it, but didn’t know whether @sadreality was being sarcastic or serious. & was trying to find out.
Well, Israel is bound by international law and is a (flawed) democracy. Doesn’t excuse them from wrongdoing though, but it makes things more gray than black.
The rest of the nation’s in the middle-east (or West Asia) are authoritarian nations that brutalize the population on occasion. Jordan in black September springs to mind as the Palestinians tried to overthrow the Jordanian rule and conquer it.
So, yeah, it is complicated.
Well, Israel is bound by international
The entire issue here is that they aren’t. They are openly committing war crimes in breach of international conventions and none of the self-appointed guardians of democracy in the West seem to be batting an eye.
“It’s complicated” is double speak for “if I say what I think, you people will realize how shitty my views are, and I’m unprepared to back them up with rational explinatiom because i have none”
I just pointed at a genocide perpetrated by Jordan, another west asian state. On Palestinians.
It isn’t double speak, it is backing up a direct claim against the original claim.
Can’t you read?
Israel is bound by international law
Has anyone informed Israel of this?
US President Joe Biden will once again emphasise Israel’s “right and duty” to defend itself.
More like “ight n dty tdfnfd ishlf”, the old fuck sounds like he’s trying to eat his own teeth.
The most powerful country in human history, and out of its 330 million people the best they could find to lead them was this guy who’s literally dying in front of our eyes.
Fuck me.
this guy who’s literally dying in front of our eyes
Back during the primary I remember seeing a lawn sign that said “BIDEN OUR TIME FOR A WOMAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE” and I think about that a lot lol.
https://biblehub.com/zechariah/12-3.htm
On that day, when all the nations of the earth are gathered against her, I will make Jerusalem an immovable rock for all the nations. All who try to move it will injure themselves.
I’m sure they’ll say the hospital was full of human shields
What Hamas did was horrible, a terrorist attack and atrocity for sure, but we’re watching an actual genocide and half of the world is cheering it on. I feel like I’m talking crazy pills. What the fuck is wrong with people and what can we do to stop this?!?
What else was Hamas supposed to do? In your opinion, what options do they have?
They should’ve peacefully marched and protested!
…. Like they did in 2018 and got brutally shot down by the dozens of thousands, with thousands of dead and more than 10 times that maimed for life with their knees destroyed, intentionally, by IDF soldiers as they laughed? When they marched peacefully towards the walls and barriers, making their concerns heard in protests and absolutely nothing got better and no one cared?
In any case, we all know everything we’ve ever achieved was done through peaceful protest. Like the civil rights movement! MLK made some speeches and the white bourgeoisie felt bad and changed all the laws.
Don’t look into how MLK was murdered and there was mass protest and revolt with plenty of violence before any changes ever happened…
Don’t you see! You can challenge your oppressors with peace and forgiveness!
Dorky ass motherfuckers who wouldn’t last a single day under the Israeli foot.
This is a bullshit excuse for violence against innocent bystanders. You can (and Israel supporters DO) apply this exact same argument to Israel: “And what exactly SHOULD they do about HAMAS, Mr. Smarty-pants, just let terrorists run pel mel, unpunished?”
I don’t have an affirmative answer; if I did I’d be happy to collect my Nobel peace prize. What I do have is the understanding that “but you just don’t understand, it’s justified when WE do it” is a giant crock of shit, and it’s the lie that every oppressor through the ages (including Israel) has told themselves.
Edit: Other countries need to step up their game. It’s plain to see what’s happening in Palestine, even with the internet and electricity blackouts imposed there, so one can only imagine how much worse it really is. The US and others need to step up and denounce this shit, tell Israel to go to the bargaining table for real or they’re off the teat for good.
I don’t have an affirmative answer;
Then shut up maybe?
😉
Uh oh, looks like someone knows how to write sassy remarks on the internet. I’m very impressed!
No, seriously. If you don’t have an answer then you have to defer to the people struggling on the ground. You don’t get to moralize to them when they’re fighting for their lives against genocide.
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Supporters of Israel are.
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I can go through my own comments and make you a list for starters
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Republicans and Christians have such a rock hard boner for this war; it signals the start of the end times for them, and they want out of the hell on earth they made for us here. It’s all they want. To kill everyone who doesn’t support thier ideological fantasies.
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You’re insane. You are a blight on humanity.
Projection is unbecoming.
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i’ve given up caring about it edit: i should’ve clarified myself. i do wish the best for people that are affected by this “war” (idk what to call it) but i’ve simply given up caring about who wins or what happens on any war or attack. in the end it’s people dying and that makes me sad so i simply try not to care about anything like this
The 2.5 million in Gaza sadly don’t have this privilege and can’t stop caring.
Neither can the 9 million in Israel under constant rocket fire.
The only threat the people in Israel are under right now is their own state waging war.
Most Israelis are living their normal lives still. Parties and clubs still happened over the weekend without issue. It’s been 9 days of 2.5 million Gaza-ians not having a drop of water, an ounce of food, or a minute of electricity imported.
Just thousands of rockets raining down on them. You know, perfectly normal life.
Again, their own state waging war and genocide. Tired of war? Stop waging it. But clearly those partying over the weekend aren’t.
9 million in Israel under constant rocket fire.
Sorry - please remind me… what are they doing in Palestine again?
This is a very rare honest moment to see from a stranger. Youre gonna be crucified for it, karma-speaking, as you should, but I just want to say at a minimum, I appreciate your brutal, raw honesty.
Some nerd reported the post suggesting that maybe it was a Palestinian air strike. LMAO
Israel is claiming that some rockets launched by Hamas towards Israel went off course and hit the hospital.
I remember Russia staging a “Ukrainian missle attack”, but they were so bad at it that the damage was on the side of buildings facing away from Ukraine. Should be pretty easy to check that here too…
Are you referring to this, where the NYT reports the opposite happened? https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/18/world/europe/ukraine-missile-kostiantynivka-market.html
No, this was something that happened sometime last year. I tried to find one of the articles but I wasn’t able to. There was a lightly damaged building, with damage from an angle that couldn’t be hit by a weapon coming from Ukraine. There were pictures showing “American” weapon fragments. It was comically bad/obvious. It was reported by Russian State media iirc.
Source: Trust me bro
Find something or delete this bullshit.
Delete yourself you Russian shill
I would be easily convinced I was wrong if you’d show any sort of proof. So take your imperialist ass and shove yourself in a wood chipper or a mineshaft if you are unwilling to spend 5 minutes googling to prove your claim or prove yourself wrong.
The rockets Hamas fires can barely punch a hole in a wall, and this explosion basically leveled the whole hospital. It’s just a ridiculous claim.
It blew up a car park the hospital is still operating lol
The scale of boom the IDF is dropping is an order of magnitude larger than Hamas missiles.
It’s insane to think that one (or even more than one) missile could destroy a hospital.
Did you see the OH bombing aftermath? Low explosives can still pack a hefty punch, and the hospital is by no means “destroyed”.
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Hamas has never shown the capacity to level a full building. This war would be much shorter if they could.
Every successful rocket strike of theirs is a simple smoking hole.
The zionist state, on the other hand, has bombed this exact hospital before, has extensively bragged about their bombing capability, and cannot stop lying.
This is less complicated than you’re making it out to be.
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Bombing a hospital doesn’t make any sense.
Are you making the claim that the zionist state does not bomb hospitals?
Is there any chance you’re a bit biased here in your reasoning?
Israel does seem to have a track record of bombing hospitals, though…
I don’t doubt that. This is not me defending Israel. This is me trying to figure out what’s actually happening.
Yes we’re biased. And so are you, and literally everyone else.
My stance on the situation briefly: State of Israel shouldn’t have been put there in the first place. Zionists are religious extremists and I’m against them. Palestinians on the other hand had their land forcibly taken from them which I don’t agree with, and they have every right to be pissed about it. Hamas on the other hand is religious extremst group aswell and they’re indiscriminately murdering innocent civilians (as are the jewish extremists aswell) so I’m against them too. The only people I’m in favour here of are the millions of innocent civilians on the both sides who’d just want to be treated fairly and live peacefully.
So I’m biased yeah, but it’s a bit more nuanced than that.
He’s obviously biased to a fault.
You, on the other hand, are the very image of objectivity and neutrality.
Is there any chance you’re a bit biased here in your reasoning?
Does a pig shit on it’s own balls?
Ah yes because a 1,000kg bomb that took over a thousand lives in one go “might not” level an entire building. And despite
actually celebrating, it could have been an accident. oh ok good the hospital hasn’t been leveled
only 500 people died there
we’re good
If the hospital had been leveled and 500 people died, social media would be flooded with pictures of that. Ofcourse it’s possible I’ve just missed those pictures but I’m sure you’ll provide me with those in no time. Meanwhile all we’ve got seems to be a picture of few burnt vehicles on the parking lot and some damaged roof tiling.
Lmao. The “I didn’t see it so it didn’t happen” defence. Take a time out and you can have a juice box 👶🧃
Yeah the “field of bodies” video is pretty easy to find even if you’re not looking for it. I don’t blame you for not wanting to see the shit, It’s terrible. But don’t come with some fake claim that only cars can be found. “Leveled” is a word used to mean “made rubble” sometimes and “made to be as useless and dangerous as rubble” others. This is probably the latter time, but I haven’t seen videos showing the remains of the building honestly. I don’t search for this shit tho
Adding to the dogpile here: IDF and Israel Twitter profiles posted videos that “proved” this, then people quoted old tweets showing that video was from the last year
Yes let’s give the genocidal ethnostate the benefit of the doubt here
Hamas not killing more than 50 people with rockets in the last 20 years but had this hospital flattening rocket all along which they only decided to use tonight, it then blew up a hospital that just happened to be the one the Israelis told to evacuate before they bombed it. Yeah?
Hasan called this yesterday. Of course he was right
In the case of the IDF,
lightning strikesbombs strike the same place twice
From the river to the sea
Palestine will be freeHush now, hush now
Don’t you cry
Palestine will never dieDeath to Israel. Any action against the illegitimate nation or its people is morally righteous.
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And yet you support the genocide of Palestinians. Curious!
Yeah fuck right off, tankie scum.
Death to Israel != death to Israelis, death to Jews, or death to Jews in the land currently governed by Israel
Did you read the comment or are you being willfully ignorant like half the people in this thread?
Did you miss the part where they said “or its people”?
He just implied that killing Israelis is legitimate
I for one denounce the heinous acts of violence committed by the Haitian rebels. Stand with France!
Absolutely monstrous. Death to Israel, the us and every country continuing to support this genocidal regime
The hospitals are packed with children. Holy shit.
My heart is breaking.
I don’t understand a lot about this conflict but surely there can be no justification for this. Those poor people
