• FaeDrifter@midwest.social
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      Yeah, we should own those dirty communist propagandists by housing every homeless person.

      The commies will be sooo owned if we do that.

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        There are some capitalist countries that have a pretty low number of homeless people. Finland, for instance: 3,686 in 2022 (0,07% of whole population). So yeah, perhaps USA could do a lot better in this, but also being capitalist doesn’t really correlate with this.

        Then again, could be that the reason for the low number of homeless people in Finland is that you don’t survive the winter if you’re homeless in Finland.

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          Finland has a housing first policy. The homeless often have multiple problems that prevent them from getting a home the normal way (e.g. drug problems that cause them to get evicted). Instead of insisting people get better while homeless, they’re given homes first and treatment for their other problems after. This coupled with welfare transfers that ensure you never end up homeless just because of lack of money leads to low homeless numbers.

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          Yes, Finland does this precisely by rejecting Capitalism and giving homeless people homes. This is not a Capitalistic solution.

          I get what you’re saying, you can have a majority Capitalist society and still solve homelessness, but the answer will never be Capitalism.

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          Finland’s version of capitalism is in another universe compared to North American capitalism. Finland had UBI, rehabilitation first prisons, housing is treated more as a human right. Socialism doesn’t mean the abolition of commerce, it just removes the predatory hoodwink from the equation.

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            Finland’s version of capitalism is in another universe compared to North American capitalism.

            Yeah, quite a lot more capitalistic: https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

            Finland had UBI

            We have never had UBI. Only some local experiments that have ended now. Other things you said are correct though.

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        Social democrats*

        It’s like communism but it works, and you don’t even have to kill minorities like you do on communism.

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          Why does Communism necessitate killing minorities, and why are you assuming Social Democracies haven’t killed minorities?

          Do you think tools have a mystical property that requires the owners to turn evil if they are collectively owned, rather than privately?

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            Why does Communism necessitate killing minorities, and why are you assuming Social Democracies haven’t killed minorities?

            Good question, let’s hope you are able to have a civil conversation!

            First of all, every communist regime has systemically killed off their minorities. Social democrat governments haven’t. I hope that clears it up. If you come across social democratic governments systematically killing minorities, let me know though.

            Do you think tools have a mystical property that requires the owners to turn evil if they are collectively owned, rather than privately?

            Like I said earlier, the underlying economic model under the fascism is irrelevant to the millions of minorities having being killed by communist regimes.

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              Every country has systemically killed off minorities.

              Show me exactly where the mystical property of tools comes in, where collective ownership turns people evil. If you can’t, then Communism does not necessitate genocide.

              It’s that simple.

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                Every country had systemically killed off minorities.

                Did I say talk about countries or governments? Keep it on topic

                If you can’t, then Communism does not necessitate genocide.

                Again, I don’t support transphobia, I just so happen to support communism which is a form of fascism which historically has systematically slaughtered transgendered people :)

                Fuck you fascist.

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                  Ah, you’re a troll, checks out. For your information, the Weimar Republic was a failing Social Democracy that led to Nazi Germany, which was responsible for the Holocaust. Even Social Democracy isn’t a perfectly innocent system, nor can anyone truthfully say that unrelated systems necessitate the presence of each other.

                  I support collective ownership of the Means of Production, which will eventually lead to a Stateless, Classless, Moneyless society. I don’t particularly subscribe to any particular flavor of leftism, as each country will get there a different way. As such, I’m simply a leftist. Decentralization, equality, and Democracy are critical to human happiness, which will necessitate trans liberation. To call me transphobic is projection.

                  All in all, you’re nothing more than a troll who believes tools have mystical qualities that necessitate genocide if people share them. You can’t actually logically prove this point so you dodge and resort to calling me a transphobic fascist, despite being the opposite.

                  There’s no use in continuing this convo, you asked me to be civil and yet you immediately out yourself as a troll and spew slander.

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                    The Weimar Republic was also deeply economically fucked because of repayments made to the Allies post WW1. There’s a little bit of history you’re casually ignoring. It wasn’t a systemic failure of “social democracy”.

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                    Ah, you’re a troll, checks out

                    Lost a convo -> ah you’re a troll haha. Classic dodge.

                    Weimar Republic was a failing Social Democracy that led to Nazi Germany, which was responsible for the Holocaust.

                    And the fish that decided to walk on land was responsible for 9/11. What the fuck are you on about?

                    I support collective ownership of the Means of Production, which will eventually lead to a Stateless, Classless, Moneyless society.

                    Yet in reality it only eventually has lead to genocide. Good going, I’m sure it’ll work the next time around. All you transfolk you’re good, we pinky promise not to kill you this time around :)

                    Still wont (or can’t?) be civil, tries to dodge responsibility and shows 0 sympathy for the victims of communism. Textbook fascist.

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              At what point was there a communist country on Earth and not just a fascist dictatorship calling itself communist? When did the proles have their revolution and create government?

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          you don’t even have to kill minorities like you do on communism.

          TIL… Derek Chauvin is really a communist.

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              TIL… Derek Chauvin is a fascist. But also a communist. No, a fascist. But also… a communist.

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                Are you unaware that fascism is an umbrella term for many things such as communism and national socialism? I mean I know you’d rather suppress that fact but still, quite delusional

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                  TIL… serving capitalism makes you communist.

                  Do tell… do you also apply this “logic-that-must-be-good-because-I-pulled-it-out-of-my-ass” in other parts of your life?

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                    Nah. I’m an antifascist. If something looks like a fascist and acts like a fascist it is fascist. It’s not my fault every communist regime is fascist. Differences in the economic model underneath is irrelevant to the minorities being slaughtered. Communism is intrinsically transphobic