I find the quality and variety of discussions on the fediverse to be lower than what I had on reddit. Lemmings have strong preconceived notions and little interest in changing viewpoints from new information. I think I’ll be switching back.
Edit: you’ll find that most of the comments deny any shortcomings of the culture and go directly to invalidating my opinions via character assassination. If lemmy was a community that actually stood for the ideals which it espouses it would take constructive criticism in the spirit in which it was intended. QED.
The main problem with it is that there isn’t enough users
Unpopular opinion: I hate this argument. At what point is there ever going to be “enough users”? I think that’s just an easy cop out used to avoid actually addressing whatever debate you’re having. And I mean this with respect.
There definitely is a critical mass needed for social media. Reddit hit critical mass around 2012 when digg imploded. When I joined reddit in like 2010, it felt very much like Lemmy currently does.
I think that’s a major problem with Lemmy, because it’s so disjointed it’s hard to hit the critical mass needed to keep conversations interesting and fresh.
I think what Lemmy has going for it, that reddit lost long ago, is the lack of bots and automation (e.g., automod) that brought the quality of content down; not to mention, the lack of reposts – I’m sure that’ll change over time. If that’s the “major problem with Lemmy”, then personally I don’t want to fix it. Bots are cutesy, and being able to do what they do is a technical fascination, but they degrade an experience that is meant for people [to interact with each other]. THough, I do admit that I am a simple casual and not a power user, so I am open to the idea that my experience is going to be more tame than some others.
I think there are enough, they’re just the wrong users.
I think this comment says a lot, maybe it’s you who is the " wrong user"
My comment history is free to audit. That’s a lot of work though and jumping to conclusions at any sign of a diverging thought feels better. Definitely not an echo chamber.
Well, I did go through your comment history and after a few pages there are only two things I really noticed.
First is the comment thread you had in my community, /c/TenForward. You don’t like the Picard show, which is fine. A lot of people don’t. Personally I think the first two seasons were some of the worst television I’d seen in a long time. But you went out of your way to say that it wasn’t Star Trek at all. Not that you didn’t like it. That it categorically wasn’t something that it clearly was because you didn’t like it. You also outright called it abominations and dismissed it entirely as if you were the custodian of all things Trek. Hint, you’re not.
Then look at another comment of you in /c/Me_irl talking about how America has gone for the past three years without a “strong man president”. Well, he wasn’t really a strong man. He was a felon, a rapist, a draft dodger, he stoked a violent insurrection that ended with people dead, is a horrible bigot of a thousand different flavors, and is the most hated President in living memory. So yeah. You’re probably going to get downvoted for even remotely suggesting that he was good in any way or that he was “strong”. On top of that, you’ve made other comments suggesting that because Biden won’t say that housing is unaffordable, that the entire country should burn and voting doesn’t matter which you got downvoted for. But none of those did you get active pushback for. Just downvotes. One of them you clarified something and you even got upvoted for that clarification.
That’s it. That’s literally the only stuff in your comment history that goes “against the grain” and that you got any pushback over. If any echo chamber exists, you are actively adding to it overall with the exception of those two things I mentioned. Both of which you got pretty harsh pushback over because the first is just unbridled arrogance and the second is actively dangerous. I realize why you don’t like this place. It isn’t that it’s an echo chamber. You just have opinions that people don’t agree with because they’re shitty opinions. This comment section is a good example. To you, anyone who doesn’t agree with you is “the wrong users” which immediately demonstrates that you are the one who is coming into situations hot and hostile.
You’re the problem here bubba, not Lemmy. The reason you like reddit over here isn’t because reddit isn’t an echo chamber. It is. It’s just one you can tolerate because it’s one that’s steeped in active aggression.
You are assuming that downvotes are some metric I optimize for. They’re meaningless beyond the value that others put in them and reach a dogpile effect on discussion at some point. Most of my issue is not on topics I comment on or how they’re received, but the topics posted on lemmy and how they are engaged. It’s the comments I haven’t made.
No, I’m not. I’m assuming that you’re using downvotes for what they are. A representation of a communities likes or dislikes of specific content and their agreement with it. The fact that you call it “meaningless” really demonstrates a lot about you and this whole echo chamber thing you keep complaining about. You don’t want an echo chamber where everyones going to agree with you, but you ignore everything that you don’t agree with? Riiiiiiight.
Your entire complaint has been that Lemmy is an echo chamber but now you admit that you aren’t making comments or making posts about your views and topics that you feel strongly about. Now you say that “it’s the comments I haven’t made.” So then you are the problem you’re complaining about. You aren’t bothering to put any effort in to demonstrate your views and then are shrugging and saying that it’s an echo chamber. Clearly you aren’t worried about downvotes because you just said they’re worthless and you don’t care, so that isn’t the reason why you aren’t putting in any effort or even trying. And you clearly have no issue in making comments because you do that frequently.
Thanks to that, the only possible conclusion one can reach now is that you don’t care about it being “an echo chamber”. You’re just a troll. We’ve ruled out it being afraid of downvotes and you not wanting to put in effort. There isn’t any other possible conclusion to reach when you keep painting yourself into the corner.
Have fun with that.
This is some next level mental gymnastics. Connect dots in whatever convincing fashion you want in lieu of attempting to understand someone’s viewpoint.
Said the troll.
I don’t care about your comment history what do you want? People who pat you on the back for your shitty opinions?
Yeah, I did that through 3 pages, and the vast majority of your comments are positive ratio. You’ve got bad takes about… bidets and public transport? Therefore lemmy is an echo chamber. I genuinely don’t see your issue. Are you a troll?