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      They probably do it to prevents spam/abuse. It is supposed to be a better WhatsApp after all, not a completely federated software. So it gotta be somewhat user friendly.

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      How else are they going to track you?

      No, seriously. Even if the messages are encrypted, the metadata including your account info and the account info of everyone you talk to are not. In a lot of these cases, they don’t have to have the actual contents of the messages to have a pretty clear picture of what you might be talking about!

      With a phone number that’s almost certainly registered to your real identity, it makes it trivial to track what you as a person is doing even without breaking the encryption! An encrypted messenger that requires anything related to your real identity to get an account is security theatre.

      For example: if you suddenly start messaging back and fourth with an account, and that account happens to have the same phone number as the one on the business card and website of an out of state abortion clinic worker, and your own phone number’s area code just so happens to fall in a state that banned abortions after Roe v Wade got trashed, it juuuust might imply a few things about you. They can’t definitively prove what the messages were, but if your state criminalizes any and all attempts to get an abortion anywhere, it’s probably enough to get a warrant against you.

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        What viable user-friendly (i.e. no account creation required) options are there? I just want my messages between friends and family to not be mined by greedy corporations.

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    Just another reason why messengers like Signal and SimpleX that don’t require phone numbers or email addresses are much more private

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    You can care about privacy, or you can ask a phone number during sign up. Those things are mutually exclusive.

    Don’t use Signal you care about privacy.

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      Don’t let perfection be the enemy of good. All my friends and family use Signal, it was a multi-year effort to pull that off. Signal will roll out usernames faster than the tide will turn, so let’s take our wins and learn to be better.

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        Yhea.

        I can almost exclusively chat with my social circle with signal now, been using it since 8-9 years.

        I’ve tried xmpp, matrix and some other. Signal is the only one that stuck, it’s not perfect but it’s fucking fine from my perspective.

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      You’re conflating privacy with anonymity. Signal is not anonymous, but it is private.

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      I can’t fathom why they insist on sticking with this. It’s so obviously a de-anonymization technique, which is completely at odds with the rest of their stated goals. I haven’t made a Signal account for exactly this reason.