Yes, I like Lemmy - but it’s almost bizarre how much of a monolith the user base seems to be. I’d think that every single person here was a desk jockey of some sort who has never worked a blue collar job in their life. And that really does warp mindsets regarding what the “average” work experience is like (again, similar to how many journalistic outlets seem to assume that the ‘average American’ works in a major metro city in a white collar office job)
Naw dude, you legit just onboarded every bit trash that’s been fed to you. You are getting suckered into taking less pay for more work. It doesn’t matter if the work changes, the venn diagram of your responsibility increases.
I would never and have never offered or have taken a promotion without an increase in pay. I have had responsibilities added to my position without an increase, but when I figure that out, I ask to be paid what I’m fucking owed.
Someone owes you, and has been taking from you, you have lost time not being paid for the work you’re doing by accepting experience in lieu of compensation. Or maybe you are the boss taking from someone else because that’s what someone did to you. That’s a fucking cycle of abuse imo.
I think you just don’t actually understand workers working together. The managerial class shouldn’t always have more power and money than the laborers, despite the techno-managerial class co-opting vaguely socialist/union rhetoric to make their high wages for less intensive work sound vaguely leftist.
Workers working together would demand fair pay for work, like the UAW.
By not demanding that, you are licking a boot, you are being exploited.
If you are on a group of people also getting exploited, and not demanding fair pay, that’s a gaggle of suckers! Just cause you’re the lead goose in that gaggle, still makes you a fucking sucker.
??? Are you just making up people to get mad at now? Did you read a comment saying I’m against unions or fair pay in your dreams? Or saying I love being exploited?
It kind of shows how out of touch you are with actual workers when you read me saying “I think laborers and the managerial class should be paid roughly the same, with laborers even making more than managers in some cases” and you manage to get so mad about it. You’re lost in the sauce of online discourse
No, I’ve read most of your replies, I’m starting to think you don’t even believe your own rhetoric, you sound ridiculous. You’re even purity testing people who’ve obviously had similar experiences.
Yeah man, “laborers should make the same as managers” is a really terrible arguement for you im sure. As long as you get to call someone a fascist, who cares about actually advocating for workers rights, yeah?
You don’t LMFAO! Fair compensation for fair work, if your wage has been slowly chipped away because you are willing to accept less, you are polishing the tools of your own subjugation with your spit. Good job!
Aw cute. You’re trying to copy the rhetoric of people smarter than you.
Instead of just getting mad, have you considered that “laborers making the same as managerial class” is not exclusive of “advocating and having good wages”?
Yeah I could see that. I think I view it more as the working class, which now includes a lot of gig work - which doesn’t have the same “family” feel as a lot of blue collar jobs have
I agree wholeheartedly, Lemmys userbase seems to be heavily weighted to certain demographics and especially on certain topics to the point where sometimes Id like to join in on the discussion but I take a moment and think “Do I want to argue with communists today?”
Yeah, it’s a really ugly side of the website imo. Like, I’m sympathetic to a lot of communist ideals! But the “communism” people preach here is often variations of people looking for every opportunity to call you a fascist because you said maybe computer programmers aren’t the most oppressed demographic in the world.
It’s kind of a shame, because these same people will turn around and say “why can’t socialism get off the ground?” And it’s basically entirely their fault
Yes, I like Lemmy - but it’s almost bizarre how much of a monolith the user base seems to be. I’d think that every single person here was a desk jockey of some sort who has never worked a blue collar job in their life. And that really does warp mindsets regarding what the “average” work experience is like (again, similar to how many journalistic outlets seem to assume that the ‘average American’ works in a major metro city in a white collar office job)
To be fair, the typical American does work in a major city in an office job, as that’s where the jobs are.
By some estimates there’s only about 20 million US blue collar jobs in total.
Naw dude, you legit just onboarded every bit trash that’s been fed to you. You are getting suckered into taking less pay for more work. It doesn’t matter if the work changes, the venn diagram of your responsibility increases.
I would never and have never offered or have taken a promotion without an increase in pay. I have had responsibilities added to my position without an increase, but when I figure that out, I ask to be paid what I’m fucking owed.
Someone owes you, and has been taking from you, you have lost time not being paid for the work you’re doing by accepting experience in lieu of compensation. Or maybe you are the boss taking from someone else because that’s what someone did to you. That’s a fucking cycle of abuse imo.
As another user noted, you are kind of a sucker.
I think you just don’t actually understand workers working together. The managerial class shouldn’t always have more power and money than the laborers, despite the techno-managerial class co-opting vaguely socialist/union rhetoric to make their high wages for less intensive work sound vaguely leftist.
Workers working together would demand fair pay for work, like the UAW.
By not demanding that, you are licking a boot, you are being exploited.
If you are on a group of people also getting exploited, and not demanding fair pay, that’s a gaggle of suckers! Just cause you’re the lead goose in that gaggle, still makes you a fucking sucker.
??? Are you just making up people to get mad at now? Did you read a comment saying I’m against unions or fair pay in your dreams? Or saying I love being exploited?
It kind of shows how out of touch you are with actual workers when you read me saying “I think laborers and the managerial class should be paid roughly the same, with laborers even making more than managers in some cases” and you manage to get so mad about it. You’re lost in the sauce of online discourse
No, I’ve read most of your replies, I’m starting to think you don’t even believe your own rhetoric, you sound ridiculous. You’re even purity testing people who’ve obviously had similar experiences.
You are making terrible arguments en masse.
Yeah man, “laborers should make the same as managers” is a really terrible arguement for you im sure. As long as you get to call someone a fascist, who cares about actually advocating for workers rights, yeah?
You don’t LMFAO! Fair compensation for fair work, if your wage has been slowly chipped away because you are willing to accept less, you are polishing the tools of your own subjugation with your spit. Good job!
Aw cute. You’re trying to copy the rhetoric of people smarter than you.
Instead of just getting mad, have you considered that “laborers making the same as managerial class” is not exclusive of “advocating and having good wages”?
Yeah I could see that. I think I view it more as the working class, which now includes a lot of gig work - which doesn’t have the same “family” feel as a lot of blue collar jobs have
Lemmy is full of nerds that tend to use computers in their jobs, go figure
I agree wholeheartedly, Lemmys userbase seems to be heavily weighted to certain demographics and especially on certain topics to the point where sometimes Id like to join in on the discussion but I take a moment and think “Do I want to argue with communists today?”
Yeah, it’s a really ugly side of the website imo. Like, I’m sympathetic to a lot of communist ideals! But the “communism” people preach here is often variations of people looking for every opportunity to call you a fascist because you said maybe computer programmers aren’t the most oppressed demographic in the world.
It’s kind of a shame, because these same people will turn around and say “why can’t socialism get off the ground?” And it’s basically entirely their fault