• queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
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    1 year ago

    I dunno, do you have nuclear weapons that could cause the apocalypse?

    Countries aren’t people. The scale the work on is much greater.

    • Doug [he/him]@midwest.social
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      You’ve got an important word there. Scale.

      Countries aren’t people but they’re made up of them. It wouldn’t take nuclear weapons to annihilate your household.

      Russia has invaded Ukraine’s home and tried to lay claim. Now you’re suggesting they give up what was taken from them to satisfy your desire for peace.

      The analogy the other person used is fair. In another analogy Russia is nothing more than a bully. We’ve long moved past the time where the advice we give is to just give the bully your money so they don’t beat you up and take it anyway.

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        There is no such thing as a society, only individuals and families. Very true Maggie!

        No, countries are qualitatively different from simply “lots of people”

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        1 year ago

        Bullies also don’t have nuclear weapons.

        Stop comparing people to countries. The scale makes it so absurd, because nuclear weapons could end the god damn world.

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            You were using an analogy where a bully threatens to beat you up and take your money.

            That’s nothing like the current situation. The current situation is a nuclear armed nation is willing to wage an endless war and we’re throwing money and bombs and tanks at the problem trying to make it go away. You’re comparing small scale things to nuclear scale things and it’s really just absurd.

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              You were using an analogy where a bully threatens to beat you up and take your money.

              No, I wasn’t.

              That’s nothing like the current situation. The current situation is a nuclear armed nation is willing to wage an endless war and we’re throwing money and bombs and tanks at the problem trying to make it go away.

              No, it’s not.

              You’re comparing small scale things to nuclear scale things and it’s really just absurd.

              No, I’m not.

        • 🔻Sleepless One🔻@lemmygrad.ml
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          By your logic, no one should stand up to the US either because we have enough glowy ordinance to turn Russia, China, and Iran into glass and have enough nukes to end all life a million times over.

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      The thing with nukes is that it’s suicide, and they know it. So they just use the threat of it to get whatever they want, in the hopes that the people in charge are like you and will just flop over to their demands whenever they dangle the threat.