Well yes that’s how time works. Before something happens, the thing hasn’t yet changed…
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My money is on sabotage on the plane itself, not a missile or suchlike. Some kind of bomb or device which caused the wing to break off.
Footage shows the plane falling vertically and seemed to be missing a wing.
If you absolutely want to crash a plane and kill everyone on board, deleting one of the wings is a pretty surefire way to do it.
Removing a wing has a lower success rate than you’d think.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Negev_mid-air_collision
It was videoed falling from the sky with one wing missing. Experts are quoted as saying that just doesn’t happen on modern jets without some form of serious attack on it. Also people saw missile trails just before it exploded.
No shit. It was originally and explicitly stated in the initial reporting that the plane was shot down.
witnesses reported seeing missile trails right away, and hearing 2 loud pops… but they absolutely will do everything they can to hide that fact, because they are cowards who hide from everything…
I’ve not been following closely but is any of this corroborated by the osint community?
Because it is probably true. But witnesses are full of shit and a lot of things look like contrails.
initial eyewitness reports from Telegram, accompanied by direct video evidence of a plane falling out of the sky with obvious catastrophic damage
there is no room for doubt… that airframe had all of its capabilities aggressively shut down by some external physical process… maybe it was Thor, but no… it wasn’t anything but really capable land based missiles…
Planes do have failures. Particularly those maintained by organizations with well documented failures to maintain anything.
Also, c4 or kamikaze pilot wannabes are things.
And eye witnesses have a tendency to see whatever someone else claimed to have seen.
I find it incredibly unlikely that this was an accident. I would not be overly surprised if this was to fake a death. I assume this was an assassination.
Personally? I would rather we focus on evidence rather than #WeDidItReddit
The wing was blown off and the fuselage was still intact. Thus ruling out a bomb.
No, the other dude said it totally could have been a kamikaze pilot!! Lmao
you are all over the place, i don’t even know what you’re trying to say… except that you’re working hard to sow doubt about something obvious…
not even a Russian airframe can fail that spectacularly on its own
I mean you can see the remnants of the missile contrail in that clip that was posted on streamable. 100% shot down.
There’s video footage of missile trace remnants intercepting the plane’s flight path. That thing got shot down.
What’s less clear is whether prigozhin got offed, or if it was more along the lines of him faking his death.
How do we know that’s “the” plane rather than some rando?
Not arguing anything here. I’m genuinely curious.
At the end
Online flight tracker Flightradar24 last recorded the position of the aircraft at 3:11 p.m. GMT, before the crash. Jamming or interference in the area probably slowed the collection of further location data.
Other data continued for nine minutes. Flightradar24 said the jet went thorough a series of ascents and descents of a few thousand feet each over 30 seconds before its final, disastrous plunge. Flightradar24 received its final data on the jet at 3:20 p.m.
If you look at the video from the ground you can see it’s missing an entire wing and it’s spinning and fluttering back and forth weirdly as it falls towards the ground.
Do you have a link?
I saw it on BBS’s news site yesterday.
If your airplane suffers sudden decompression and you get sucked out a window, would it technically be a defenestration?
Maybe but might be a stretch. Defenestration refers to the act of throwing someone/something out of a window. We have to consider the pressure “throwing” instead of sucking you out, which might be acceptable since the pressure inside the plane is greater and ends up pushing you out of the window in it’s escape. From the perspective that you’re sucked out of the window, it doesn’t seem like the definition would apply.
This guy defenestrates.
I’ll believe it in a couple of years if he doesn’t turn up having faked his death again.
I’ll believe it when the netflix adaptation comes out.
And then what happened?
The front fell off
They should have built it to vigorous aviation engineering standards.
Or the wing did
It rapidly stopped being fine
It got shoved out a hotel window
“After a failed orbital adjustment resulted in a negative perigee, Wagner leadership has ceased its existence as a result of a collision with the Earth litosphere”, according to Rocosmos Airlines.
All part of Russia’s Special Assisted Descent Operation.
Jesus Christ that website is literal pop up as cancer.
what you need my friend is https://noscript.net/
I had no popus using uBlock Origin on Firefox
I was using sync and it wasn’t so much pop ups as continually loading more bs
Another billionaire dies a stupid death. Maybe we should start a Darwin Awards category just for the ultra rich?
Interesting take. I would have gone for “A known enemy of Putin suddenly dies in a plane crash over Russian airspace.”
“plane crash”
At least it isn’t another freak autodefenestration. Those were starting to get boring.
Not like it’s unprecedented for them to blow up a plane, but yeah, they were definitely getting stuck in a defenestration rut these last few years interspersed with people “getting sick”.
If you think about it, blowing up a plane in flight is just the highest possible form of defenestration.
But there’s no window involved
Missiles are just high-speed window installation devices.
Most planes have windows by I see what you mean.
I don’t know about that, what about space ships and stations?
Being over Russian airspace was the stupid move here.
Definitely. Expecting to live after calling off the coup was the stupid move here. He crossed the Rubicon when he seized Rostov. After that, it was win or die and he ruled out winning. It wasn’t hard to figure out what would happen next.
You are correct. Doesn’t make it an unstupid death though.
Well, well, well. If it isn’t the consequences of my actions!
- Wagner guy probably
under Russian airspace, technically
