When Israel re-arrested Palestinian men in the occupied West Bank town of Dura, the detainees faced familiar treatment.
They were blindfolded, handcuffed, insulted and kept in inhumane conditions. More unusual was that each man had a number written on his forehead.
Osama Shaheen, who was released in August after 10 months of administrative detention, told Middle East Eye that soldiers brutally stormed his house, smashing his furniture.
“The soldiers turned us from names into numbers, and every detainee had a number that they used to provoke him during his arrest and call him by number instead of name. To them, we are just numbers.”
ITT: a bunch of non-native English speakers lecturing native English speakers on the meaning and usage of English words in colloquial English :-/
My grandfather had a number tattooed on his arm. Never again means never again for everyone.
Shame on Israel. Zionism is an evil racist ideology, distinct from Judaism
Yellow star was already patented
They have become that which they hated.
Treating Gaza like an open air extermination camp and even branding them the way prisoners were tattooed in German camps.
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This is no longer a boring dystopia
Literally 1940
The right-wing religious nutters in Israel read plenty of NKVD and SS manuals.
Writing a number on someone with a marker is not branding. This is stupid. The IDF is committing actual atrocities, and this article is about writing a number on people with a marker and referring to them by that number. Relatively humane prison systems refer to people by their inmate number as well.
What is even going on? This is literally a distraction from the actual terrible things regularly occurring. Think about it this way: within the horrifyingly violent context of Palestine right now, here is an entire article that could be headlined: “IDF Uses New Weapon Against Palestinians: A Marker.” See how absurd that is when there are much more important events occurring?
Who wrote this? The IDF?
Personally I’d be unwilling to write numbers on people and refer to them by that number, I just read a lot of accounts of the holocaust and that’s too close for me to be around without feeling sick. Don’t know how IDF can stomach this. But, you know, no end to the depth of human depravity and evil. I’m not a great person. Still couldn’t do this.
Revelation 13:16-17 King James Version 16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Behold The Beast
They did not hold a prison number sign. Or a piece of clothing with a number. They were marked with the number on their forehead.
No prison system kidnaps people and throws them in a “jail” without process, writes a number on their forehead, tortures them for months and then releases them because they were innocent.
And I do not mean a combination of those things.
I mean not one of those things is done in a prison.
Well the police in Chicago have been accused of running dark site interrogation and torture facilities, it’s cost the city millions in human rights abuse.
Its the Homan Square Black Site. Used to be a Sears warehouse. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homan_Square_facility
Right, but I wouldn’t call those places “prisons,” and even if they once were, they ceased being such when they started using them as fucking black sites to torture people
TBF it depends on the prison. In this comment I will be referring to jails and prisons within the U.S., and I am working with the same assumptions you made in your comment.
People are put in jail without trial all the time, when awaiting trial. This is extremely common especially with poorer people who can’t afford bail.
Most prisons and many jails give prisoners a number, and will sometimes even refer to them only by the number. It’s not written on their head, but it is often attached to their uniform, and they can sometimes be punished for taking them off. It’s weird to write it on their head, and really just kinda silly if you ask me. They probably don’t have the resources for name tags because they’ve spent 200% of the budget on more bombs it seems.
Some jails and prisons have conditions that equate to actual torture according to the UN. Extreme heat without AC, cruel punishments, inadequate nutrition and safety. Most notable of these is solitary confinement, which is a very common prison punishment, and which is rightly classified as torture by the United Nations. Some people spend months or even years or decades in solitary confinement.
I think we all agree that the IDF is committing acts of genocide and inexcusable violence against civilians and captured combatants, but it’s also important to not inflate the facts, and to focus our attention on greater issues. Does it really matter so much that the IDF writes a number on their forehead, when they’re also bombing children? Is a marker really a greater evil than a bomb?
This comment conflates jail and prison as if they’re the same thing, and they are not. It’s an important distinction.
They probably don’t have the resources for name tags…
I know you were making a joke, but it is foolish to believe for one second that this wasn’t done intentionally as a form of dehumanization and public humiliation.
Does it really matter so much that the IDF writes a number on their forehead, when they’re also bombing children? Is a marker really a greater evil than a bomb?
Yes, it really matters. Both things matter. Do we have to make “Israel war crime” tier lists before determining if we should care about something? It’s all awful. And it’s all inter-related anyway. This is the type of dehumanization that allows IDF soldiers to murder so many women and children without remorse.
And I could see someone who does not have an understanding of history, and the historical context around this level of dehumanization, could not fully grasp the symbolism here.
But yes, this is something that we 100% should be talking and worrying about.
Jails and prisons are for the sake of the argument practically the same thing in that both meet all of these criteria. I am not saying that we shouldn’t pay attention to this or catalog it and prosecute the perpetrators, I’m simply saying that the argument of the previous poster was extremely flawed.
People can be held in jail before they are charged but they require a charge and a trial.
Here the IDF is picking up people, throwing them in confinement, beating them up and then throwing them out.
Wiithout a trial ever happening. Nor do they plan it to happen. There is no legal system involved.
Comparisons can be made. Guantanamo bay, Uyghur camps, etc. But that is not what most people call a “jail”. This is kangaroo court stuff.
I agree that the kids getting bombed is bigger news. But seeing “Israel bombed 50 kids today” every single day doesn not hit the same after a while. And it is not really “boring” in the way this is.
I’m not disagreeing that It is a terrible thing. What they’re doing is wrong and they should be punished. However we are not so different, and that is the damn truth of the thing. To that end, my comment was merely pointing out that the previous comments argument was very flawed.
As someone living in “Israel” im not shocked, I wouldn’t be suprised if they put it on their forearms next time
For fuck sake, how blatant does it need to get before people recognize this for what it is?
You mean admit to it? They can just continue refusing.
The people who are willing to recognize it for what it is have already done so.
Yea but a number drawn with a sharpie would fade away. Have you thought of some more permanent way of inking those numbers in their skins? Not to mention that the forehead is a bit too much, it might make the guards uncomfortable. Have you considered someplace a bit more discreet, like maybe the wrist? /s
I have a theory that people that willingly post links from this site are doing it on purpose to cause more harm to Palestinians. Hear me out.
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No other news source has confirmed this act.
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Everyone in the comments are assuming the literal and first dictionary definition of branding by physical mutilation.
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People that actually read the article are pointing out that the headline is misleading but they are getting drowned out by pedantic discussions of semantics when it’s clear the implication is physical mutilation.
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There is so much heinous actions committed by the IDF but here we are talking about made up news. See where this is going?
There is something fucky going on.
Everyone in the comments are assuming the literal and first dictionary definition of branding by physical mutilation.
Why do you keep insisting this childish bullshit that no-one has argued for?
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/brand
a(1)
: a mark made by burning with a hot iron to attest manufacture or quality or to designate ownership
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: a PRINTED mark made for similar purposes
b(1)
: a mark put on criminals
I’m curious, are you a native English speaker? In colloquial English the term “branded” is almost never referred to the second point in the Webster dictionary. The term originates from a particular context and the etymology derives from germanic “to burn”. I’m not doing the semantic bullshit game that already happened in this thread. No one uses “brand” colloquially for printed form. I suspect you know this.
In colloquial English the term “branded” is almost never referred to the second point in the Webster dictionary
Oh fuck right off. It has a way stronger connotation in colloquial English to be any other definition except an actual burning hot iron.
IF we were having this conversation 150 years ago, it would be different.
We’re not.
https://www.playphrase.me/#/search?q=Branded
What sort of a percentage of those is referring to an actual brand and isn’t from a piece of media depicting something before 1900’s?
How about here?
https://edition.cnn.com/search?q=Branded&from=0&size=10&page=1&sort=relevance&types=article§ion=
Here?
https://apnews.com/article/wawa-tumbler-recall-metal-straw-injuries-0225d1ec580c880d3f1aef199e6580ca
https://apnews.com/search?q="branded"&s=0
https://apnews.com/search?q="branded+people"&s=0
Searching for “branded people” and the first story to come up is
No one uses “brand” colloquially for printed form. I suspect you know this.
Not a native speaker, are ya?
Not to mention which, you still haven’t addressed the fact that demanding such linguistic prescription is wrong in general, not to mention in journalistic practice where standards are different.
See you’re trying to challenge linguistics when you have an understanding that’s probably from your lessons at whatever public school, because the teachers at those tend to be extremely prescriptive. Something which modern linguistics definitely wouldn’t agree with to that extent at least, and definitely not in the context of headlines, and definitely not in the context of this specific word, which actually has this definition as well.
(Also, you’re avoiding admitting Israel is committing crimes against humanity. Probably because you’re a filtht little genocide denier.)
You keep bringing up the branding of objects or products as a counter to the branding implied when humans are the subject. In the AAP article you linked it is referring to product branding.
I know for sure English is not your language now.
Almost everyone in this thread that did not read the article took the physical scarification implication of the headline.
This in such a weird hill to die on. Unless you are the author of the article it’s odd how much effort you are putting into discussing the semantics of branding when it comes to humans. Right now the IDF is committing genocide and there are so many more horrendous acts being neported in actual news sources to refer to but here we are super concerned with explaining how the word “branded” akshuallly really means printed text haha no really gotcha (in every colloquial context - not news articles discussing products! - in the English language when the physical branding of humans is mentioned it is universally taken as physical scarification; Not drawing with a sharpie).
Like, why?
Edit: just reread your comment and just caught the labels. Holy shit,
“filthy little genocide denier”
How sad that even after people mention they agree that Israel is committing heinous acts (I’ve stated as much numerous times) you can’t help yourself. We are all in agreement here that Israel is committing genocide but I want nothing to do with you. You are incapable of discussing anything that disagrees on the slightest fact because your feelings are unable to handle any criticism. I recommend you stick to some safe bubble or echo chamber from now on.
You keep deferring whenever your childish garbage is shown to be moronic.
This in such a weird hill to die on.
Isn’t it just? Had you actually read the article I linked in the first place, your asinine ego wouldn’t be in your way to admit how wrong you are. But you’re not interested in actual linguistics. You don’t care about it and you’re not versed in it, which is apparent from you pushing views that high-schoolers might have, because you’ve just never read anything about linguistics beyond your lessons on that level. I’ve said it several times. Applying such a prescriptive criteria to journalistic headlines is beyond inane. Literally a 12-year old in my country would be expected to understand what I’ve been repeating to you several times now. So you’ve definitely not stepped a foot anywhere near a university anytime in your life.
You’re stomping your foot, crying “NO, ‘BRAND’ ONLY HAS ONE SINGLE MEANING. ONE SINGLE ONE. THAT’S HOW LANGUAGE WORKS. WAA-WAA!”*.
You desperately need your exaggerated bullshit to be right, but since you’ve exaggerated and generalised, it’s obviously not, which makes you ashamed, which makes you even more convicted to die on this hill on that you don’t understand the first thing about.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_prescription
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_description
https://spcollege.libguides.com/c.php?g=254319&p=1695321
https://newslit.org/educators/resources/seven-standards-quality-journalism/
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0378216608002798
Cry all you want, but the journalist has done nothing wrong, and unlike you claim, people in this thread definitely aren’t assuming “physical mutilation” when they read “brand”. You can cry and cry and cry all day, it won’t make your sixth grade approach to philology any better, kiddo. :D
I recommend you stick to some safe bubble or echo chamber from now on.
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No one here is talking about linguistic purity dumbass.
Everyone in the comments are assuming the literal and first dictionary definition of branding by physical mutilation.
You’re saying everyone in the comments is interpreting this headline as prescriptively as you pretend it is meant. Us using the same bar of prescriptiveness for your statement means you mean literally every single person is interpreting it as literal physical branding using a hot iron.
That’s a ridiculous statement, and just me disagreeing with you would make it incorrect, and several other people have tried explaining this to you. You refuse to admit that there’s such a thing as descriptive language or that “branding” can be used descriptively even if it lacked a meaning of a printed mark, which it does not.
“Moronic strawmen about linguistic purity”
You’re the one making that moronic strawman though. You’re denying the existence of descriptive language. This is what I meant earlier. You don’t even understand what that word means, so you don’t understand you’re doing it, which makes this rather hilarious, as your linguistic understanding is on the level of a 16-year old.
You’re trying to say the article is essentially propaganda against Israel. It’s not. To say Israel is branding people in this context is well within linguistic and journalistic standards, despite you not understanding what those standards are, even when half a dozen people are trying to explain them to you.
See the usage going down steadily throughout the 1900’s, until there’s a marked uptick in the 80’s, when the word resurfaced with a new context, that is currently the most colloquially used (brand as in trademark). That usage has lead to a semantic shift of the word, making it lose it’s connotation of “physical mutilation with a hot iron” as you can see from for example the playphrase.me link despite you pretending that all of the examples I used referred to objects instead of people. Is Candyman an object or a person, hmm? What about “I”? “They”? Hell, even the clip from a show that’s depicting a scene in the wild west, where there was actual branding, the quote isn’t referring to “branding” via a hot iron, but in the sense that it is most commonly used. Here in the headline of our article it just happens to overlap with making a physical mark on the people, which also fits the definition of “brand”.
You don’t understand linguistic or journalistic standards. You’re wrong in your childish assertions, but you’ll never be able to accept that.
No other news source has confirmed this act.
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the domiannace of the big news outlets by zionists is well documented.
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notice how Israel has killed all the journalists and the sites that do report carefully use passive lagnuage for israeli actions and active and adverserial language for anything lebanese or gazan people do. Its obvious bias and controlled jouranlism. So why would you think them not covering something is meaningful?
Maybe you are just lookinbg for confirmation of your own bias?
Every single day heinous actions by the IDF are being reported in mainstream news. You’re straight lying or stuck in online echo chambers. The fact that this comment has any up votes is really frightening.
Every single day heinous actions by the IDF are being reported in mainstream news. You’re straight lying or stuck in online echo chambers.
You’re arguing that this headline is biased against Israel, yet your implication here is “Israel’s heinous actions are being reported so there can’t be a bias against Israel.”
The BBC has been accused by more than 100 of its staff of giving Israel favourable coverage in its reporting of the war on Gaza and criticised for its lack of “accurate evidence-based journalism”.
A letter sent to the broadcaster’s director general, Tim Davie, and CEO Deborah Turness on Friday said: “Basic journalistic tenets have been lacking when it comes to holding Israel to account for its actions.”
“The consequences of inadequate coverage are significant. Every television report, article and radio interview that has failed to robustly challenge Israeli claims has systematically dehumanised Palestinians,” the letter said.
Someone is reporting according to journalistic standards what is literally and actually happening, which is the everyday dehumanisation of Palestinians through acts like drawing a huge number on their foreheads and calling them only using it instead of their name. And you’re making a huge deal about the reporting being biased and deceptive, when it’s neither of those things. And definitely not everyone on this comment thread is taking the “branding” to mean “burning with a hot iron”.
We need to robustly challenge Israel’s dehumanisation of Palestinians. I think to do that requires us not to whinge about a headline when it doesn’t fill some weird linguistic purity standard in your head where “branding” can only mean ‘burning with a hot iron’."
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This seems vaguely familiar but I can’t quite put my forearm on it.
Elizabeth Warren supporters?
… branding detainees with numbers, check… now, what’s next on Hitler’s to do list?
—Bibi, apparently
It’s not a brand. It’s a mark with a marker. And I think even Bibi and his legions of assholes might be sensitive about tattoos and actual brands.
wow what a distinction.
first of all Bibi is a Hitler apologist. the only thing he’s sensitive about is the existence of brown people.
second of all it’s the same exact shit. the point isn’t the method, it’s the dehumanization.
They couldn’t turn the world today into a movie because the writing would be called too lazy and ham-fisted to be realistic.
“The Nazi analogies were so over the top, like we get it, they’re bad people… It’s insulting to the audience.”
—average review
“You’re watching it wrong! Those are protagonists!”
—US government in the comments
I’m telling you, this Earth show jumped the shark last decade.
No, the humanity show did. We’ll be cancelled long before the Earth will.
Sure, the Earth channel has other shows but Humanity has become the main pull of the channel such that it’s pretty much the Earth show. I’ve tried watching some of the other stuff Earth puts out but it hasn’t held my attention like Humanity has, even if the last few seasons have been absolute dogwater.
It was those damn writer’s strikes!
It would take somebody with a rye wit.
Is that an intentional bread pun? I’m not getting the relation.
Yes, to go with ham-fisted.
Cheers! Half of the time I understand jokes every time.
This is what happens the other 50%.
Mmmmm,… rye wit.
