• swayevenly@lemm.eeEnglish
    79·
    9 months ago

    I’m thinking it would’ve been a bit lighter if he said “I don’t like this guy” with the same expression as in the previous panel.

  • jopepa@lemmy.world
    49·
    9 months ago

    Good for him, brushing your teeth and honest introspection isn’t easy when you hate yourself. He’s right about that art though, derivative trash.

        • Valmond@lemmy.mindoki.com
          51·
          9 months ago

          That’s way better than what I have witnessed, there seems to be a meaning 🥲 !

          Seen for real:

          A car painted black.

          A rack of clothing.

          Magazines.

          Seen on the internet:

          Shit in a box

          Ejaculate on magazines

          …

          The banana taped to a wall, sold for a lot is probably a try to laundry money or similar though.

          • jopepa@lemmy.world
            61·
            9 months ago

            I was being a little tongue in cheek because you were having a laugh about what you think of that art movement.

            Postmodern art is better enjoyed with context. A urinal signed and put on a pedestal doesn’t mean or look like much of anything, but it’s more impactful when you understand the intention behind it –Duchamp and his fountain are worth reading about even though he pre dates the movement so it’s a little beside the point but he’s kinda the grandfather of the movement, so whatever he’s cool.

            Classifying something as postmodern art isn’t about a shared aesthetic like renaissance, cubism, or pop art. It’s focus is typically less about the craft and more about the message. A lot of the time it’s mocking the status quo or the art world in general, other times it’s making a challenging statement in a challenging way.

            “Comedian” or the banana taped to canvas seems like an artist phoning it in because their name has the value not the art anymore. Maybe it is just being silly and that’s all there was to it from conception to execution. On the other hand they worked on that for months, obessing over the type of tape and placement, chose the banana because it is iconic while also high risk to be wiped out from climate change and unveiled it in a studio in Miami.

            If it’s only the former and this is a meaningless money laundering scheme like you suggested (most people laundering money don’t want global attention for only $150k). Even if that’s the case, we’re still talking about it 5 years later. So the purpose if art is fundamentally creating something greater than the sum of it’s parts then they fucking nailed it.

            • DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe
              52·
              9 months ago

              I agree, the Emperor looks stunning in his new outfit once you know the tailor’s backstory.

              You see, he was orphaned at a young age, and to make ends meet he took up sewing.

              Unfortunately, his store burned to the ground and after collecting the insurance payment he was forced into a life of conning rich idiots out of money.

                • Herbal Gamer@sh.itjust.works
                  2·
                  9 months ago

                  It was an artist who took 67,000 euro or something to provide a set of paintings for an exhibition, gave them blank canvases and called it that.

            • Valmond@lemmy.mindoki.com
              1·
              9 months ago

              In my book, if you have to explain it, it’s not art, but eveyone can obviously have their opinion. And yeah I know about the toilet :-p

              • jopepa@lemmy.world
                2·
                9 months ago

                However you want to enjoy art is cool, but narrowing the definition seems like an arbitrary reason to limit what you can be open to enjoy. Context≠explaining it, though.

                Didn’t mean to art-splain at you by the way, no offense intended.

                • Valmond@lemmy.mindoki.com
                  2·
                  9 months ago

                  Yeah no offence taken!

                  And well if someone says aah say wine is art or running is art, I’d still enjoy it ;-)

                  What’s art? Vast debate.

    • Asafum@feddit.nl
      4·
      9 months ago

      I find introspection the easiest part of hating myself, there’s so much to attack! Lol

      • jopepa@lemmy.world
        41·
        9 months ago

        I get you’re joking, but just in case there’s any earnestness there and you’ve been hurting your own feelings lately. I’d like you to know that acknowledging self loathing is honest introspection and a good first step, the self loathing itself is more like self harm and generally dishonest. If there is any honesty in it, try and practice more self compassion.

        Shit’s tough out here, you matter and people care about you. Keep going friend :)

        • Asafum@feddit.nl
          2·
          9 months ago

          I appreciate the concern! I joke about my issues, so it’s like 50/50 a joke and it’s real lol

          I have a very hard time with self compassion because I feel like it’s undeserved or a lie. If I hate myself for reasons x,y,z I feel dishonest expressing self compassion, I feel that the hatred is well deserved.

          I’m horrible with double standards though: you’re a human and humans make mistakes and can change, but for me I would attack myself relentlessly lol

          • jopepa@lemmy.world
            2·
            9 months ago

            Of course you’re welcome. I’ve gone through similar thought patterns and it sucks to be stuck in a head space like that. Glad you’re half joking, rooting for you to lock down that second half.

            Don’t be stranger if you need one. Good luck.

        • Krauerking@lemy.lol
          31·
          9 months ago

          Let me counter that with:

          People are assholes, we all die eventually, maybe admitting we suck is more appropriate than pretending we are good for the sake of appeasing our own insane minds before we die. Maybe it helps change for the better or not, who knows.

          Shit’s tough, the grand scheme of your existence is practically miniscule with the likely amount of impact you have and people mostly care about how other people care about them. Go out there and play a good game, champ!

          • jopepa@lemmy.world
            11·
            9 months ago

            It sounds like you’re suggesting self compassion is a lack of self-accountability, but they aren’t the same. So your premise is flawed.

            People care because it comes naturally to us, people that can’t or don’t have personality disorders and that’s a different burden to live with. Even they don’t deserve to be trapped in depression and self hatred and nobody ever got better by hurting themselves.

            Apathy sucks. It’s lazy, boring, not as cool as your nihilistic antiheroes have led you to believe, and is just a bummer to be around.

            I don’t want to keep enaging with your negatively, but sincerely hope you’re doing okay and finding healthy happiness in your life.

            • Krauerking@lemy.lol
              12·
              9 months ago

              Nah I’m just countering with you have no concept of what their person is going through and casual well wishes are meaningless to a person drowning. The situation one finds themselves in is often a myriad of outcomes not entirely based on self and can still leave a person feeling defeated.

              It’s probably true that I don’t know what it’s like to be the average person but also the idea of average is flawed and comes from a self centered perspective of normal.

              So I’m sharing mine. A different perspective for the drowning person not of self love but of a need to swim as hard as they can and give the audience the show they can muster if they want to. But it’s mostly a game of understanding how far you can get and hoping there might be more. I won’t offer anything but practical advice.

              I find the people who are joining hands and singing about how we are all friends to be boring to be around too. And not helpful in times of need. Apathy is not a great answer but just being sure that you love yourself and aware of how you are in a situation doesn’t equate to much at the end of the show.

              Existence is fleeting and not guaranteed. People will aim to extend theirs and as an afterthought, others. So you decide how much you want out of it. Ignore the crowd and the boos and get on with dying.

                • Krauerking@lemy.lol
                  1·
                  9 months ago

                  So you were… Pulling him out of the bucket by calling him friend when I said fuck that life is about making of what you got and good luck? Or am I pulling you down by admitting it’s a myriad of situational aspects that define a person as much as their own personal values? Which part allows you to see me as a cruel force bringing others down? Cause that was pretty esoteric as far as responses go.

                  Are you just telling me that you caught a lot of crabs in a bucket and you just want to show off the cool thing you found? Or are you mad at me cause I interrupted your rather blase show of altruism for self feel good points to point out that words kinda mean nothing? And it hurt your ideas that these words are deeply meaningful and impactful. Saying you are a friend and being a friend are different things. People talk about the things said that pulled them out but not as much about the importance of who said it. Which is honestly more important and why finding a therapist whom’s opinion you take seriously is more important than the smartest one. (Unless that’s how you decide trust)

                  I get that it feels good and feels like helping but know that the sappyness doesn’t stick as well digitally and “fuck it” is sometimes just as an assuring thought as “chin up” for a person. People like feeling seen, and sharing just to hear someone hears it. And Internet platitudes are often junk food for the soul. No substance, just makes you feel good for a little then it is back to yearning. Happiness isn’t a constant feeling. I’m sure they will feel it but it doesn’t mean the rest doesn’t hurt waiting for the next meal.

      • AlataOrange@lemmy.worldEnglish
        361·
        9 months ago

        Counterpoint there has been a measurable decrease in quality of most forms of media as more and more stuff are soulless cash grabs. It used to be that games shipped completed, now they ship broken cost more and expect you to pump even more money into them on top of that. The last move I saw that I cared about was Dune. Many of the restaurants near me have reduced their quality of ingredients and staff, now when going to the nearby sandwich shop my order is wrong more often than it is correct.

        What do we do when the world is measurably becoming worse?

        • Valmond@lemmy.mindoki.com
          8·
          9 months ago

          Started out writing a somewhat long answer post, got a bit lost, there are lots of stuff to think about and not only about game development or global economy but media and consumption overall IMO.

          What about starting a community discussing the general enshittification of the internet and the world, but also good recommendations and ideas for well the future?

          I’m on, and if there is no neutral place where to make a community, I can provide one on my lemmy server if needed.

          Cheers and love to the crazy game developers out there!

          • Krauerking@lemy.lol
            2·
            9 months ago

            I think a puzzle game in style of viewfinder where you can overlap your photos of objects to create more complex solutions, but the more times you copy the same thing the more blurry and less physical it becomes would be such a cool game.

            There have been really neat little things that feel short of a pearl but that is kinda the point. They get worked over and over again until suddenly its something amazing. Stories of wizards are nothing new nor are magical schools but yet we know of one big one.

            The problems I think also settle into drive and time for realizing the ideas. People complained of the “nanny state” of the UK in the 70s except it spawned massive musicians and artists. Also we need spaces to discover the new and grow it naturally, which there are fewer 3rd spaces and yet infinitely more from the internet.

            I always hope for something new and hope that through the noise I will find it. If that means somehow figuring a space for exploration and inspiration I think it’s much overdue.

        • potustheplant@feddit.nl
          4·
          9 months ago

          Although mainstream media might be worse, there are stil lots of movies and series that are pretty high quality being released every year.

          • AlataOrange@lemmy.worldEnglish
            21·
            9 months ago

            1. What movies would you recommend that have come out since Dune as that is the last movie I have been able to care about at all? This isn’t meant to be read as sarcastic, I’m being completely sincere I would like recommendations.

            2. I’m not going to lie I just don’t trust non-indie series any more. I can’t trust them to not be arbitrarily cancelled part way through, or to be ruined after one or two seasons. There are too many burnt bridges and broken promises.

            • potustheplant@feddit.nl
              21·
              9 months ago

              1. Movies: Marcel the shell with shoes on, the worst person in the world, past lives, aftersun, everything everywhere all at once, the banshees of inisherin, licorice pizza, beau is afraid and I’m surely forgetting several others.

              2. For recent series, I can recommend: Severance, Atlanta, Scavengers reign, Fleishman is in trouble

                • potustheplant@feddit.nl
                  1·
                  9 months ago

                  Maybe this is too blunt but that looks like crap and has poor reviews. I have way too many movies to watch so I don’t think I’ll waste my time with that one.

                • potustheplant@feddit.nl
                  1·
                  9 months ago

                  Not really interested in godzilla and I didn’t like the boy & the heron :(. The end credits song is a banger though.

        • nifty@lemmy.world
          41·
          9 months ago

          Right, it’s not about expressing negativity per se but about maintaining, or establishing, standards and quality.

        • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
          33·
          9 months ago

          Counterpoint there has been a measurable decrease in quality of most forms of media as more

          No. The past had plenty of trash just no one remembers it. Which gives you the impression that everything was good. Survivor bias.

          and more stuff are soulless cash grabs

          When was it not?

          . It used to be that games shipped completed, no

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/E.T._the_Extra-Terrestrial_(video_game)

          and expect you to pump even more money into them on top of that.

          https://creativetwilight.com/how-expensive-is-warhammer-40k/

          Also I am not sure how the lack of value adds = lower quality.

          The last move I saw that I cared about was Dune.

          I agree. That 1980s masterpiece is one of the best sci-fi movies ever made.

          Many of the restaurants near me have reduced their quality of ingredients and staff, now when going to the nearby sandwich shop my order is wrong more often than it is correct.

          Well what do you expect after 3 years of people screaming about having to wear a mask and reductions of immigration?

          What do we do when the world is measurably becoming worse?

          Start by using actual data not anecdotes. No one is convinced when you talk like that. It sounds like every old dude I knew growing up ranting.

      • wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one
        101·
        9 months ago

        The comic is clearly mocking critics, tho, down to the stereotype bald man with a thin mustache and a scarf.

      • niktemadur@lemmy.world
        21·
        9 months ago

        Yep, it’s about the proverbial sitting and pouting while folding arms, declaring that “everything is lame”.

  • Underwaterbob@lemm.eeEnglish
    10·
    9 months ago

    Do critical critics exist anymore? I feel like I haven’t seen a good pan in ages. Maybe when Cats came out, but everyone dog piled that one.

    • kronisk @lemmy.world
      5·
      9 months ago

      The Pitchfork review of Jet’s album “Shine On” was just an embedded video of a chimp pissing in its own mouth and a 0.0/10 score. That was 2006.

      • Underwaterbob@lemm.eeEnglish
        2·
        9 months ago

        I’m not sure if you’re serious or not, but if you really don’t know, Google up the best reviews of “Cats 2019” and delight in the glorious train wreck. Some of the better quotations include: “Will haunt viewers for generations.” and “To assess Cats as good or bad feels like the entirely wrong axis on which to see it. It is, with all affection, a monstrosity.”

        Just don’t actually watch the movie.

            • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
              3·
              9 months ago

              It’s fine I will just add it to my list

              Me to my manager: you know we are showing steady improvement which is great. It is like the Godfather movies. The first one was terrible but by the time we got to the end of the 3rd one it was amazing.

              Me to a buddy: who suggested an Airbender tabletop game: oh man that sounds a great. I never was into that franchise and then I saw this supercool movie called the Last Airbender.

              Me to my wife: hey let’s go watch that live-action Death Note movie again I remember how much you loved it.

              Me to a different buddy: the original trilogy was great, love those little dancing ewoks. They should get their own trilogy.

  • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
    111·
    9 months ago

    I would like art critics more if they were explaining things that they noticed instead of telling me how I should feel.

    It’s kinda cool to me that there are people in the world who can really nerd out on a given piece. Explaining the style, history, context etc. That is useful to me.

    Movie and book reviews are not like that however. Usually it is “I didn’t like this, you shouldn’t like it, let me rant about 20 things I didn’t like about it that are not really relevant to JUSTIFY my subjective opinion that is also objective and you are a moron if you disagree”.

    • UNWILLING_PARTICIPANT@sh.itjust.works
      1·
      9 months ago

      Where are you reading your reviews? Most of the reviews and critiques I read online and in the odd newspaper skew positive.

      Comment sections are often negative I find, though. Case in point I’m only commenting to disagree with you, so… I guess I should watch what I say lol.

      Anyway hopefully you take this the right way. I feel like you’re referring to a source of critique that I’m blind to

  • deafboy@lemmy.world
    2·
    9 months ago

    I can feel the ugly guy way past his prime, but I don’t like the tempo of this community. Can we skip to catharsis already?

    • Donebrach@lemmy.world
      1·
      9 months ago

      nah, when there’s people shoving a 3 lb block of cheese up a raw turkey, we as a society can weather food criticism without it being labeled “classist.”