A few thousand years ago the ancient Greeks said:
“δὶς ἐξαμαρτεῖν οὐκ ἀνδρὸς σοφοῦ”.
Roughly meaning: A wise person doesn’t make the same mistake twise.
But again some people keep doing it
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i don’t think posts about him are appropriate here. the kind of dystopia wants to bring is not the boring kind. it’s straight up cartoonish shit, like the government from v for vendetta
Time and time again I remember this meme
Basically democracy is government after the people, by the people, for the people . . . but people are retarded . . .
By any chance, is there a way to impeach someone before swearing in?
It’s 80 degrees in November. America has reelected a climate change denier. SUV sales continue to rise.
If only Americans had voted for the party that was going to fix climate change…
Which one was that again?
You’re not going to like this, but it was the Green Party.
Oh I’m totally with you, it’s the rest of this instance that you have to contend with
The Green Party? Yeah, hopefully before we all burn up. Stein still got <5% this time.
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In that two party system?
“Go ahead, throw your vote away!” -Kodos
Fuck this shit
I have to remind myself that the only silver lining of being Californian and unable to really effect this outcome of this race is that we’re also least likely to pay any personal consequences. Still bad, but I feel for people in states with less protections for LGBTQ and immigrants, and especially for people in countries that are completely fucked right now unless something crazy happens.
I know already that my state and several other blue states have been working on a contingency plan ever since Biden looked like a certain loss, months back. Then again, might make little difference if he goes full fascist, but a silver lining is a silver lining none the less.
Over here in Florida where they’re banning books and censoring LGBT from schools. All my family (besides my parents and siblings) are Republicans and are actively voting to the person who is trying to legalize murdering me (trans, closeted) 🙃
My teacher is also an anti masker.
Send help pls.I noticed that… Redder than ever as I watched the polls. I guess at least it’ll be under the ocean in a few decades. Amazing how it changed since 2000, though. My PhD is in education policy, and also someone who dated a trans woman, I know exactly how fucked y’all are.
If only California could fix it’s housing issues, we really should be a refuge for cool folk like yourself. People used to flock here, for better or worse.
Hardly anyone can afford to live in the progressive parts unfortunately.
It’s true. Some places are affordable but won’t be terribly enjoyable unless a lot of progressives move there (like Bakersfield isn’t the worst place in the world).
Edit: on two separate occasions I saw cars wrapped in full anime weeb regalia parked in places in Bakersfield. It’s just mostly immigrant farm workers, though.
When you’re 18, you’re more than welcome in the New Mexico/Colorado coalition. New Mexico is more affordable, FYI. Until then, there are good people on Lemmy you can lean on.
Calxit?
Nah, that’s a trap. At tempting at it is, it’s better for everyone to stay a union even if California has the 5th (or 6th depending on measure) strongest economy in the world. Plus imagine how fucked the other 49 would be!
CAWAORxit?
CAWAORNYIL… And New Englandxit.
I think that just describes a civil war at this point lol
…my state and several other blue states have been working on a contingency plan ever since Biden looked like a certain loss, months back.
Can you expand on this, in eli5 fashion? Curious foreigner here.
As they said, money, but I’d say there are a few safeguards. On obvious issues like reproductive rights, we can hold out on “states decide” until there’s a federal ban, and even longer with legal challenges. States that rarified it in their construction have a similar setup. We also have organizations in place to help undocumented immigrants so much so that they can get drivers licenses and insurance, etc.
As for things specific to Trump, it’s mostly a matter of having a lot of lawyers ready to challenge things and purposefully not following federal law if needed. 4 years is a remarkably short time to hold out, assuming again they don’t just go full fascist and arrest our governor and state Congress. Technically shouldn’t be possible even with the supreme court but who knows.
Speaking of which, that’s the real problem-- federal appointed judges. So all together we’ll just have to see. States rights is a good thing when you’ve got a good state, though.
Oh that part’s easy.
Money.
California has economic power over the rest of the US because of the money that flows through it.
Still bad, but I feel for people in states with less protections for LGBTQ and immigrants, and especially for people in countries that are completely fucked right now unless something crazy happens.
Your state just voted to keep slavery btw.
I heard. We weren’t immune to the low turn out, and if anything we had a lot more protest votes since we’re a “safe blue” state. Actually I’m much more concerned about how it impacts some house races. We might be a bit screwed, and lazy Californians might be why.
Yeah I feel the same with illinois.
Good luck gentlemen o7
If I live close to Illinois do you think it’s worth making the move?? Can’t the federal government just do whatever the fuck it wants regardless of state rights
Laws are only real if they’re enforced. What we know is is that Trump promised to send troops into “sanctuary cities” and this time around, his wranglers know better on how to use him. Go to a safe city or state, but be prepared to move country if you’re one of their undesirables.
Its more about how the state comports its own affairs so keeping up its public infrastructure and not allowing poisoning of natural spaces and such. I can’t say its worth the move as these things are really situational. Im just sorta glad I am at where I am at.
yeah, thats all fair. it is ignoring how california will be uninhabitable in short order if we dont take immediate steps to curb climate change, and trump has vowed to undo the little progress the biden administration had accomplished, and to “drill, baby, drill”
Yeah, that’s going to be a world wide problem in any case. California can also keep doing it’s green push too, but just like with countries, it’s a moot point if your neighbor is mucking everything up.
Is this real? I might go out and buy a copy if so.
There is a saying…
Make a mistake once and you can call it learning, make a mistake twice and you are eh… not so smart
Americans need education.
Real Vanity Fair image, in case you were curious like me. From this article, about a quarter of the way down (on mobile at least): https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/donald-trump-wins-presidential-election-2024?srsltid=AfmBOoqLRfHo70JfvoeZaBIJqUpWHxf0nO_UKHUatbC_cgIqMWF3_dU9
I just don’t get why they never learn. I thought you were saying this is spoofed and the real cover was in that article…but nope that’s the really real image. The right LOVES images like this, it does nothing to inform the base besides giving a “cool counter that he’s beating”. Show pictures of him going down on the mic on stage, show pictures of how old and fragile he is, anything but the stupid mugshot/he’s a bad guy motif that’s done nothing for the past year.
Kudos to them for having the courage to put this out
I, for one, hope that this is exactly what we needed. Shit has to get dark before the light can return.
Are there betting markets for when that turd drops dead?
Diabetes, please do your job.
JD Vance is a more effective stooge, because he does what he’s told without question. Trump at least has his particular brand of self-defeating chaos.
Vance is the Project 2025 guy, not Trump. You don’t want him as president, either.
There is an interesting question as to what happens if he dies before being sworn in. It’s not clear what succession looks like then, I think…
Likely JD Vance will be chosen as president, he gets some similar weirdo as a vice-president. He will be exactly like Trump, but without the charm.
charm
I’m not as sure.
I hate Vance and he’d be a terrible President, but he also was firmly anti-Trump before, and only became a Trump sycophant for political reasons.
If Trump dies he may feel the freedom to do what he wants to do as President, while claiming to be Trump’s heir to the personality cult.
At this point it’s our best outcome.
There’s actually a few more:
- undisputable evidence for destroying ballots, or some other stuff
- a lone gunman 3: this time an army professional with better guns
- unfaithful electors
- Biden lives with his new found presidental power, and does an “official act”
If the Dems took the House, some of those might be perversely better. But between Vance and Johnson, I’d take Vance.
And enough states have laws to prevent unfaithful electors to keep that from being an option.
I absolutely believe Trump won. The dems pushed hard on abortion while abortion was separately on the ballots in several swing states, so even for the virtually unheard-of single-issue pro-choice voters, they could just take care of that with the ballot initiative and then vote for Trump anyway. Meanwhile, the pro-life voters doubled-down against the Dems.
Pro-choice-centered campaigns have always been general election poison. The disasterous 2022 elections should have taught the Dems that. Or Wendy Davis’s 2014 Texas Gubanatorial campaign when she ran on abortion rights and lost by over 20 points in an open election against an unpopular Greg Abbot. At that time, Texas had only elected 2 Republican governors since the previous Democratic woman, and even Perry almost lost the Governor’s mansion in 2006.
Biden lives with his new found presidental power, and does an “official act”
Wow, that would be quite a thing. Dark to even think of him being the hero we need, but don’t deserve…
I am 100% sure that Biden doing anything at all that would change the outcome of the election would lead to rural versus urban civil war. Maybe that’s what we need. But it will be unbelievably terrible.
I hate Vance and he’d be a terrible President, but he also was firmly anti-Trump before, and only became a Trump sycophant for political reasons.
He’s Peter Thiel’s property, so he’ll do whatever he tells him to do. And Thiel is a weird, evil and intelligent man. A Vance presidency would probably be less insane and more calculating (for better and for worse) than Trump at least.
I think Vance would consider consequences. He wouldn’t drop a nuke on a whim.
Honestly, a smarter version of trump as president is a very concerning thought. I am not sure if it is better or much much worse.
Charismatic people rarely are smart because life is easier for them in the first place.
trump may very well die within the next 4 years, even 4 weeks after all that campaigning strain, but I am just no sure if JD wouldn’t make everything worse if he got hold of the reins?
One thing is sure President Vance would be a total shit show.
Thiel is Vance’s backer. Vance would be a competent Trump. Much more dangerous.
but I am just no sure if JD wouldn’t make everything worse if he got hold of the reins?
Honestly, it feels like the only hope is that things get bad enough for enough Trump supporters (and non-voters) to wake up to reality. And since Vance himself doesn’t seem to have the moron-whisperer charisma that Trump has, they may be more willing to turn on him.
Vance would just run everything according to Project 2025. I think he’d be like Trump but more competent.
Hopefully dems nominate someone who actually has soul instead of a walking checklist like Kamala. Oh, who am I kidding? They won’t learn anything from this either.
