It’s not their platform was weak. It’s that they are weak. They hold their tongue while their opponents are jerking off in their face. They mind their Ps & Qs while someone holds a gun to a child’s head somewhere in America. They govern “responsibly” while half the government is on fire. There is no sense of urgency, there is no sense of reality, there is no sense they actually give a fuck.
It’s easy to stand up there at the podium and wane intellectual about filling the sky with stars and ask us all to “keep fighting” but where was your fight? How did you lose to this with everything on the line?
Why would we fight for a bunch of fish to be thrown on land so we can sit there and watch them flop around drowning in a political environment that is killing them?
I might go one further and say “Look, you need to take my platform seriously!” isn’t a winning message when the last guy lied about his platform. Biden took office promising a bunch of BernieBro shit - debt forgiveness, climate change reform, prosecution of corrupt officials from the prior administration, voting reform - and then failed to deliver. Obama ran into the same shit after 2008, tanking his majorities in 2010 and then pulling through despite a negative approval rating in 2012, because he did not deliver the goods.
How did you lose to this with everything on the line?
Its easy to forget that conservatives (particularly the heavy hitters) also have a ton of shit on the line. You’ll notice Wall Street loves a full GOP House/Senate/Presidency and the market is surging. Crypto is surging. Elon Musk and the Winklevoss Twins and the Murdochs and even Bezos are bullish on the next four years. These people had vast fortunes on the line and they acted like it. They turned the country against the Democrats by hook and by crook, through their mass media and their industrial stoogies.
The Democrats needed their old allies in the labor movement to push back. They needed teachers and university students. They needed the urban professional class. But after Biden sold out the rail unions and failed to support service sector or aerospace or even the fucking Postal Service? After he flubbed debt forgiveness for college grads? After he let state governments (in Red and Blue states alike) run roughshod over public education? Who was left?
Dems immolated their own base, chasing the traditionally conservative upper middle class white homeowners. Schumer promised that every blue collar voter who went to Trump would be replaced by two suburban moms. Oops.
They don’t give a damn shit. It’s all smiles, jokes and smirks nowadays.
I think mama Kamala would’ve had a way better chance of win if she just offered a simple public apology for force-labouring so many poor people before shifting policies 180°. Instead they do that yesterday, then the exact opposite today and a big laugh in your face.
Maybe if Trump starts executing them, and shit becomes win or die for them like it is for a lot of people, then maybe they’ll start thinking about how to win at all costs (like listening to what people actually want) instead of “we want to win, but only as long as it doesn’t adversely affect our donor daddies”
No, they need to be replaced. They’re complicit.
The most consequential issue for voters this past election was the economy. People are feeling inflation, whether that’s through food prices, rent prices, or all of the above.
Harris didn’t campaign to that. Instead, she catered to families with children - a diminishing subsect of society - and small businesses. Yes she advocated for a first time home subsidy, but no young person believes they’ll truly have enough money to own a home in their lifetime.
Harris ignored the working class. And so they ignored her. Plain and simple. A political party has to fix its constituents’ problems, or at least lie about it. She did neither.
Stop making this about voters.
Yes, you’re right, it’s 100% Harris’ fault.
She didn’t take the steps needed to make people care enough about stopping a fascist dictatorship.
And it’s the voters’ fault that they needed to be made to care about stopping a fascist dictatorship? They should have already not wanted their friends to die.
They are both 100% to blame. Because blame isn’t a limited resource.
Drag made the following meme in response to the comments in this post: https://lemmy.nz/post/16146432
More accurately, it’s the potential voters sitting at home not voting that did it. Republican-leaning people got out and voted, as they always do.
So yes, I totally blame the DNC for being so afraid of polularism that they would basically squander 1 billion in donations for an amazingly ineffective get out the vote effort. Why should I donate to the DNC again?
Too complicated for 90% of voters to comprehend.
They saw: Democrat president made my groceries more expensive
They heard: Democrat replacement will do things around the same as they used to be. Republican guy is going to do things VERY differently.
And the herd mentality took over past that point
Don’t forget immigrants and black cities are scary.
I hated reading this, because it sure seems like it’s the truth.
The simple fact is a LOT of Americans don’t have the time to do real research. They are entirely reliant on media to break down the complex issues into small chunks. And we know that no longer exists.
Do we expect someone that has to work 2 or 3 jobs to make ends meet now and an hour or two helping their children with homework, to also spend hours researching current events and political stances beyond what they can get in 30 or 60 minutes from the TV before they have to go to bed and do it all over tomorrow?
Worse than that, millions don’t even rely on media. They just hear about it from some barely-informed coworker, friend, or family member. Everyone is blaming the democrats’ messaging and policies, when huge numbers of people are just going by vibes, tribalism, and whatever they hear at church.
The uphill battle here was to fight the pervasive lie that it’s Biden’s fault that everything is expensive and trump knows how to fix it, but you can’t use explanations longer than five words and you can only reach the information-seeking population who mostly already agree with you.
Republicans spent the last 50 years or more pushing religious participation and conflating their ideologies with religious beliefs. They can’t be defeated without a similarly insidious strategy. We are truly post-information, and the merits of the candidate are virtually irrelevant.
And that republican guy told them he’s going to ramp up inflation. (tariffs, mass deportation) and raise their income taxes (the vast majority of his voters are not 1%). And they still voted for him.
But they won’t understand that. It’s all about feeling instead of logic. Honestly think the deck was stacked against the incumbent this year, just as it was in '20 because of COVID and '08 because of the financial crisis. As the saying goes “It’s the economy, stupid!”
There was no incumbent in 2008 unless you are aggregating to the party level.
Yes, the Republicans were the incumbent party. McCain was dragged down by Bush’s fumble during the Financial Crisis.
It’s even worse than that. They consume media that actively misinforms and lies about the democrats.
I was helping my uncle with his computer a few years ago and got a glimpse of his email inbox with emails about how Hillary Clinton is so evil. And my aunt gets all her news from a website hosted by the same company that hosts trump’s social media website.
Things can not get better as long as we allow these propagandists to operate.
You can’t honestly think this is true. People didn’t switch—at least not any significant percentage. I think it was a 1% swing. People stayed home.
The democrats don’t own the votes of people. They swung for the neocons. Leaving the people who’d been arrested for sitting in their schools for not liking a fuckin genocide to sacrifice their values. Again. It’s always on those of us that want better to sacrifice our values to keep the wolves from the door. While the Democratic Party opens the back door for them when they hold the keys anyway.
They are doing the same thing over and over, shutting out even a middle of the road progressive like sanders. And then they expect to hold onto voters who want real change? They can’t promise more and more of the same and then expect people to get excited. This is 100% on them.
You voted a blank check to BeBe. How is that helping the Palestinians?
Think of voting like signing your name to a candidate/party and what they’ve done/signaled they will do.
A lot of people can’t stomach a candidate who has been courting the neocons and softening their previous mildly progressive stances she took the last time dems had a primary and the progressives were showing up in numbers. Everyone got in line and the debates were all about M4A, erasing federally held student debt, raising the minimum wage, etc. Sanders single handedly dragged the party to the center (technically more “left” than they were) in 2016/2020 and the dems responded by po’mouthing like they cared about those issues, but then circled the wagons and kicked those voters to the curb.
The party has shown over and over again that they don’t give a shit about working class people, those of us that want real change. They want to maintain the status quo. Which is progressively more hostile capitalism.
Signing your name to that constant move rightward is unthinkable for some. And understandably so.
And that’s before we even discuss the ongoing genocide in Gaza funded and armed by the US. While this administrations representatives in the UN and in any official capacity constantly run defense for the genocide. For literal war criminals.
Plenty of people could not fathom putting their name on that tragedy.
We all get that trump is much worse. But everyone else needs to understand how sickening that shitty choice was for anyone with a conscience about what’s going on in Gaza, what’s going on with their neighbors. Signing on for more of the same was completely unthinkable for some. That has to be understandable if we are ever going to change things.
We’ve been on the road we’re being forced down now as long as I’ve been alive. And the road just keeps going forward. The dems’ proposal is “maintain the course.” The republicans’ was “mash the gas.”
Some people couldn’t stomach going any further down this road. That’s not making a choice to mash the gas. Because the world is not binary.
So the choice may have been one or the other, and you see it as “you basically voted for trump” because people couldn’t bring themselves vote for Kamala. To sign their name to a genocide. You’re boiling everything down to the two party mentality, which is exactly what has let us continue down this same fucking road. None of us want to continue this way. Telling us all to hold our noses to vote for Kamala while the entire party gave everyone left of them the finger…is not on us.
You’re not wrong, we all hate the fascist party. But you have to understand that a lot of people couldn’t bring themselves to vote for someone who was going to keep the regular ol’ genocide going while courting fuckin neocons. They looked to their left, said “fuck those people,” and tried to court republicans. And you’re blaming the people to the left who’ve been repeatedly told to go fuck themselves?
Voting in a first past the post election is binary. That’s not an opinion you can agree with, it’s math. Sometimes you only get to choose the least shitty option. If Trump and Vance do what they promised, there is a non trivial chance you won’t even get to do that - like in Hungary, Iran or Russia - where they have elections, but not really.
You voted to wipe out the Palistinians.
You don’t believe me?
What is Trump’s position on Palestine?
It’s support BeBe with whatever he wants. There is no two state solution in the Republican platform.
What we say doesn’t matter now, you won.
GG
People stayed home.
Abstaining is a vote unto itself, and partisans of both flavors are wont to ignore that voting doesn’t materially affect the lives of the poor and middle class. No matter who they elect things get worse, so when faced with the choice of missing a badly-needed day’s pay and voting, they choose to get paid.
No matter who they elect things get worse
“Whether I get a minor laceration or I lose my arm, I’m still going to bleed”
If you’re working 2-3 jobs and upwards of 100 hours a week, none of it will matter to you. All you know is you have to struggle to live and no one we elect will change it.
And this sense of superiority and refusal to understand or empathize is why hundreds of millions don’t listen to you.
Lol, you don’t know me, or that I’ve literally been there.
And this sense of superiority and refusal to understand or empathize is why hundreds of millions don’t listen to you.
Pot and kettle friend.
Do you even know what that life is like? Working yourself to the bone to feed your family and still staring down the barrel of an election that you tangentially know will harm you in some way?
I’ve done 80hr weeks for years, and it fucking sucks. Check your assumptions, because this sense of superiority is why I ignore people like you. I’ve been there, but I still made the time when I had to with shit like absentee voting. Not everyone has that ability, but don’t pretend like that takes away their agency, even if they have little energy to put to it
I’m not judging you. (And I should have made that more clear. I apologize.)
I’m judging the sentiment, and until Democrats learn to actually speak to workers, they’re going to lose elections.
I mean, this is true, but in most states you have the option to vote early, vote by mail. We can’t ignore the middle part of your statement: capitalism is getting more and more hostile and no one is offering us a solution. Just giving us differently colored badges to pin to our lapel while telling us the beatings will continue until morale improves.
Give us someone who is actually speaking to us and our needs and we’d have turnout like they wouldn’t believe. But both parties actively suppress anyone trying to do so. Which has been on display my entire life, but has definitely come into much sharper focus in the past 12 years.
Sorry, no. 15 million+ people that voted in '20 did not stay home because of Palestine. Jill Stein was the candidate I heard of most from the “Genocide Joe” crowd, and I don’t think she reach 1% in any battleground state. America does not care about the plight of Palestine. Sad truth.
Yeah, the people I know and spoke to all just said “I didn’t even vote, I couldn’t stomach it.” And the people who didn’t vote because they were put off by the choices don’t really get reliably surveyed—if anything we might find out a small sample size’s opinions months down the road, but more leftist circles are so disillusioned from being asked to plug their ears, hold their nose and vote for neoliberalism with a heavy splash of neocon garnish thrown in that they don’t engage. We can’t keep ignoring that segment of people. Some of them went to vote third party, but when you’re talking about a 4% difference, a lot desperately needs to be said of anyone left of Bernie madoff being written off as “extreme left.”
Yeah. Any party that gets desperate enough to court actual progressives will get a big boost.
That said, courting racists also seems to be pretty effective.
I choose to believe in a world where the second option is getting less viable while the first is becoming more viable, with time. But that’s just a matter of faith (with at least a little bit of evidence from history).
The MAGA Alt-media and then add Fox is super prolific if not mainstream at this point. They’ve gaslighted so effective that both Black males and Hispanics is shifting toward the GOP. The left would need to equal that push.
Courting racists is effective because disillusioned leftists DO TEND to metamorphose into racists and fascists over the long term. They get upset their party and politics are stagnating, get upset at the lack of political traction, and wind up eventually blaming other people. You see it more often in young people, but it definitely happens.
Not sure why you’re being downvoted. There is a lot of flak on Hispanics and Black men from the left currently.
This isn’t a leftist phenomenon, it’s a liberal one. As the saying goes: Scratch a lib, a fascist bleeds.
All over the internet you’ll see liberals blaming brown people, LGBTQ, and women for democrat’s loss; assuming Kamala lost because she’s a black woman, despite all evidence pointing to her campaign; and even taking joy in the misery that Republicans will bring to all Americans as a way to get back at those people. They will learn all the wrong lessons from this, and the news media will feed those lessons to them.
They will never reflect on why the Democrats weren’t able to reach those people. Instead they choose to direct their hate at their fellow Americans for not falling in line, enthusiastically going to vote, and somehow convincing anyone else to do so, for a party that promised them nothing. They will act like this makes them any better than Republican voters, or the third-party and non-voters they hate so much. They will not see the wedge being driven between them and the left who stands for their class interests.
They won’t see that what really split their vote was Democrats’ legitimizing of Republicans stances by adopting Republican framing on the issues, and as a result, looking like a weak and feckless alternative to Republicans. This strategy only got the center to vote Republican and depressed turnout on the left, because they weren’t even going to be an obstacle for all the things Republicans wanted to do.
They refuse to see the democrats for what they are, doing everything they could to lose that election if the alternative meant they’d even nominally have to appear left of center. Americans are looking for answers, and Democrats utterly failed to provide them, utterly failed to counter a particularly weak republican platform. No amount of catastrophising can defeat the bad messaging and politics of an incompetent national campaign.
They stand for nothing, so they’ll fall for anything.
A significant portion of Trump’s base were supporters of Bernie in 2016. These people know they want something different, and know they will never get that from Democrats.
Don’t get me wrong, I think they significantly underestimate the harm Trump will cause, and don’t mean to excuse them, but this dynamic really needs to be understood.
It’s exactly why there is nothing but fear and hate blasting across every digital and analog service known to humankind. The United States has literally saturated itself, through it’s own volition, in whatever the peddlers were selling. They became the ultimate consumer. When you are literally breathing in the propaganda, cortisol cranked to 11 and the only option on the menu is all or nothing politics this is what ya get.
~75 million chose the devil they don’t know and the DNC needs to reflect on that. Or die. Their choice. The rest of us probably won’t even get that choice.
??? It is literally impossible for any voter to not know the devil they chose. No, over 70 million voters actively chose to elect perhaps the most incompetent and transparently stupid president in history back into office, but with a well known and well documented playbook this time around on how literally entry metric of American life, from domestic policy to foreign policy, will be made worse to the sole benefit of big corporate actors and 1%ers. A whole bunch of others were too apathetic to be concerned by this.
Voters ultimately made their choice. A lot of folks are going to die as a result, but unfortunately it won’t be limited to just the idiots that actually chose this.
His first term was a bungle. They had two years of a majority and couldn’t even finish the blueprints for a wall. I really don’t think the GOP was prepared. They are now.
And obviously the unengaged 50% of the country didn’t care or pay attention.
They chose the devil they very much know.
Democrats lost worse on 2024 than Republicans did 2020. We judge Republicans for supporting their party after Trump effectively commandeered it but we don’t hold ourselves to the same standard when the Democratic party has been shown to be an absolute and abject failure. Maybe it’s time we look in the mirror. We gave Democrats three chances, 2016, 2020, and 2024 and they failed to deliver every time. We need to hold ourselves to the same standards we hold Republicans and start thinking about alternatives.
Yes, good thinking. The democrats are losing the vote, so we shouldn’t vote for them. And while we’re at it, we can continue the beatings until morale improves!
You’re right, if we stop voting Democrat we might have a fascist come into power with control of all three branches of government…oh wait, fuck
… maybe we can vote democrat and stop it for a second time? …wait, wait fuck
… well maybe we can keep voting democrat to stop it happening for a third time I guess?
Democrat supporters are fucking deluded at this point.
Can’t wait to hear about the alternatives you want to vote for.
I mean okay. That’s kind of not how people work. You can hate it, but it’s just not how people work. I thought y’all had learned that by now.
Their platform was weak.
They ran an old man with brain damage for most of the campaign.
His replacement spent two months of campaign time telling poverty wage workers to be joyful and didn’t even put a platform on their website until a few weeks before the election. Watching that felt very tone deaf and condescending.
The other meme they repeated was how weird Trump and Vance are, as if they didn’t already objectively know the voters don’t care about that.
They didn’t run a good campaign.
Well I’m glad we dodged having an old man with brain damage in the White House… ooh wait.
Fair point.
No matter who we elected we were getting a useful idiot for the rich, but that’s partisanship for you.
Goalposts
I don’t think old man with brain damage is much of a counter. That is what got elected.
You’re not wrong.
The difference is their brain-damaged guy behaved as he always does, where Biden clearly did not.
The big issue is that Trump could’ve gotten onstage and started telling stories from Lake Woebegone for two and a half hours and a large portion of his cult would’ve hailed it as a masterstroke of political theory.
2 days before election Harris announced legalized marijuana and 1 day before that she mentuoned she would be ok looking into Gaza more.
Her “first time homebuyers” aid was actually only for first generational homebuyers mainly immigrants and who had rented from a corporate owned apartment complex for 2 years.
Her business aid plan was for people who already had a business operating in specific cities and areas for “black men and others” to get loans. emphasis on “others” being her’s not mine.
It was a campaign of protecting status quo first, not people. While telling them they didn’t realize how good they had it.
Weak is an understatement.
Me: About to buy my first home.
Also me: Trump is going to be president??? Fuuuuuuck. May as well just light this big pile of money on fire!
Aw hell…doesn’t matter anyways. Pennies don’t melt…
Also me: Trump is going to be president??? Fuuuuuuck. May as well just light this big pile of money on fire!
Invest in prison stocks. Watch them go to the moon.
Not only pennies do melt, they are more valuable once molten. It’s just illegal to do it.
Ones from 1982 and earlier are much more valuable when melted down.
…well shit. I spent my teenage years selling weed. I didn’t know I could make money burning things!
I won’t vote for who supports genocide. Trump may not be better in this regard but at least I won’t reward to those who already aided in it. Next time they should learn to do better.
You are complicit. You’re not above this.
There won’t be a next time. Congratulations, shit stain. You get to pay yourself on the back for your “morals” while the country burns to the ground.
I say “morals” because fucking obviously the moral thing to do is prevent Nazi Germany 2.0 from happening. But no. You get to pretend like you’re a good person. But you’re not. You let fascists take control and countless people will die at the hand of non-voters like you. You and everyone like you are deplorable in every sense of the word and you have no right to claim moral superiority.
This is how I feel, thank you for putting it eloquently. These “moral high ground” people are no better than the MAGA they enabled. It’s sickening.
Nazi Germany 2.0 is already happening. Palestinians are being genocided as we speak. But it seems their blood is too cheap for you to care.
You’re so delusional anyways about your 2.0 world. Don’t blame me, blame the democrats for supporting and committing genocide. Maybe do something about that first?
I voted, so keep assuming.
Sure, blame the voters for the lack of choice they were given. That seems very productive and totally not just an excuse so you don’t have to admit that the Democrats are responsible for enabling genocide.
Two people can both be 100% to blame for something.
I have much respect for drag and don’t disagree with that point in general, but in this particular case I must protest.
Democracy is a process for legitimizing a government. The voters cannot fail at voting, they can only be failed by elected parties that don’t faithfully represent their interests once in power. The responsibility is entirely incumbent on the parties themselves, as they get to pick how they manipulate public sentiment into supporting them and the voters have no agency in the decisions those parties make.
Drag thinks the voters can fail at voting. Drag could visit the Proud Boys annual general meeting and propose that drag should be the leader of the Proud Boys. Drag could present a 17-point plan to reduce misogyny and queerphobia in the organisation, support mutual aid structures in the community, improve members’ access to mental health services, and everyone there would rather shoot drag dead than vote for drag. Why? Because proud boys are neo-nazis, and they want to be lead by nazis.
American has decided that it wants to be lead by nazis too. This wouldn’t have happened if everyone in the USA was an informed, highly educated, intelligent person of empathy. Drag was excited about not electing a fascist to the white house. America wasn’t, because America isn’t that well-informed, intelligent or empathetic. Harris should have recognised that Americans are fascism-apologists who need more motivation than she gave them to vote. AND Americans shouldn’t have been fascism-apologists who need more motivation to vote. Either group could have solved the problem if they were better. We got a fascist dictator because they both suck.
Well, the really morally superior thing would be to vote for Jill Stein (or another anti-genocide candidate). Sitting out the election is abdicating responsibility.
Jill Stein is pro-genocide. She’s a liar who supports the opposite of all of her proposed policies. She was only in the election to hurt Harris and help Trump. Now that Trump’s won, she’s going to disappear for the next 4 years and do nothing to accomplish her supposed goals.
Cool and we get genocide 2.0 instead
In what way? Israel already has a free check and a shield to do whatever they want.
Trump has promised, in VERY few uncertain terms, to deliver a genocide here in the US. Mass deportations of immigrants were one of his big “to-dos” on day one, including deputizing National Guard and police units to assist ICE. This is combined with an AG hopeful who wants to “see Democrat politican’s bodies dragged through the streets”, and Steve Bannon, who helped author a document that basically plans to outlaw homosexuality, being transgender, and (probably) conversion camps, if not outright death camps. You can look all this up, it’s all been well reported on.
This is on top of Trump being close friends with Netanyahu, so congrats - by not voting, you voted for two genocides.
That’s not at all what happened.
The donkey showed people the positions and the people sat at home.
The same assholes as usual voted Republican and that’s how Trump won.
People were lazy, disinterested, and not motivated to vote for the incumbent party.
The people are tired of the Dems presenting them with weak bullshit solutions to their very real problems and being told to get on board because the alternative is worse. The cost of living in America is drowning the middle class and the Dems keep throwing us water wings.
I don’t agree that Trump’s policies are the answer but I can understand desperate people looking anywhere for some relief.
Drag thinks that not having a fascist dictator who wants to holocaust all the trans people is a strong solution to a very real problem. Drag got excited about the idea of the USA continuing to be a somewhat-democracy where drag’s trans friends are allowed to live. Drag was excited about driving Putin out of Ukraine, and drag was very happy to vote for the West Bank not to blow up. Drag thinks all those “desperate people” seem not to care very much about queer people, ukrainians, or palestinians. And if they were only in it for themselves, maybe they could have gotten excited about Harris’ plan to help first home buyers. Drag has been seeing memes for a decade about how Millenials will never buy houses, and drag feels that pain. Harris had a plan. It wasn’t a great plan, but it was a plan. It seems the voters didn’t just lack empathy, but also lacked self-interest.
It wasn’t a great plan
You’re entitled to be mad at the voters for forsaking their fellow citizens as well as the citizens of Ukraine and Palestine. But that doesn’t change the fact that, “not a great plan” wasn’t good enough for voters to turn out for the Democrats. Voters are inevitably going to vote for whatever they perceive as being in their own self interests. It’s up to the political parties to align with what the voters want and the Democrats have continuously failed to do that.
Yes, the DNC are just as much at fault as the people who voted for a fascist dictatorship.
American tears, so salty right now
Yeah buddy, this is not going to affect the rest of the world at all!
Yes, drag’s friends who are going to die are crying. You’re welcome to make as much fun of them as you like.
This is why abandoning the “grocery store” strategy for “trump said naughty words” was a huge mistake.
I find all of this Monday morning quarterbacking pretty silly. Trump was literally fellating the mic and rambling incoherently a few days before the vote. “Strategy,” hahah. Nothing Kamala’s campaign coulda done was gonna get those 15 million people that chose not to vote, if simply listening to Trump didn’t.
I do think that when harris said stuff like “stop price gouging” fascist media made the mistake of airing her and combatting the point - which is weak sauce on their part. More of that would probably have worked. Less ads about trump unfitness more about reducing grocery costs.
Grocery costs will continue to go up, because climate change has disrupted food production and distribution (among other things.) We could make prices fall artificially, but the actual cost is higher. And anything we do to change that must be paid in more externalities. Americans don’t want to have the hard conversations. We want pleasant half- truths and lies. That’s what we elected.
Harris should have lied, then. There’s no punishment for promising the world and failing to deliver.
Nah. The comparative price of food will go down if wages rise. And wages are artificially low. Food scarcity is not yet a serious issue in the USA. It’s a purely political issue.
Or maybe voting against something that you don’t personally like is not a strong strategy for a nationwide election?
Suggesting that there was “nothing” at all she could have done to inspire voters is a cope. And refusal to listen to the reasons people vote the way they do.
No. Y’all did this exact same mental gymnastics routine in '16. We elected a senile con man instead of a qualified woman because America has a deeply rooted misogyny problem. That’s all. Well, that and because pressures from climate change have made people afraid and easier to con.
We elected a senile con man instead of a qualified woman [In 2016] because America has a deeply rooted misogyny problem.
I mean she also had a 20+ year smear campaign against her, that probably shaved a few votes I gotta imagine.
Right… It’s everyone else that’s the problem that the same tired tactics aren’t working over and over again.
It’s just those darn voters who need to be taught a lesson on how to vote properly. Those people that are hungry and poor just need to listen to what’s good for them and their disagreement is obviously because they are shitty people who hate women.
Great talk. Can’t wait to see all the outpour of support for that now and the 3rd victory in a row for Democrats. Because nothing need change and it’s everyone else that’s doing mental gymnastics.
If someone requires dispropprtionate convincing to do the obviously right thing, I do hold them responsible for being wilfully ignorant, yes.
Then you are a narcissist who thinks you can ignore others and bully them into agreeing with you cause you think of yourself as the only truth.
Your idea of right is your own. Blame everyone else then, but don’t pretend it’s productive or that you will get what you want from it just because.
Suggesting that there is no strategy change needed after proof it doesn’t work over and over again makes you willingly ignorant as well. And extremely unlikely to ever get a goal you want.It lets you have a scapegoat to not introspect or change. And yours is just as imaginary as the right and you blame millions of people for not being you.
Yup, you’ve got me all figured out after this one exchange. Now that I’m nicely in this box, feel free to store it wherever makes you comfy.
The issue is it is a two party system. The Dems ran a safe but weak campaign while people are pissed off at the world. Trump was a colossal ass who is likely to collapse the free world clowning it up at every chance.
This was a referendum on the status quo, and they got a solid no in favor of tearing it all down.
Accelerationism is a helluva drug. Hey, at least we’ll get unfettered corpo AI, haha.
That or a locked down internet in the US. Was it not from that document that this came from?
“Pornography should be outlawed. The people who produce and distribute it should be imprisoned,” the document says. “Educators and public librarians who purvey it should be classed as registered sex offenders. And telecommunications and technology firms that facilitate its spread should be shuttered.”
Drag hopes they do that one first. Number one strategy to start a revolution.
Ah, but it works both ways. One great way to radicalize young men is sexual frustration (see: incels). The right has mastered this FAR better than the left ever thought about it.
P0o agrees it would be fun to see them try it.
this voting system is stupid as f@%k though: as a voter, you should be able to sort your candidates as per your preference, not chose pick one and only one
check this out : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condorcet_method?wprov=sfla1
Yeah but this election really wasn’t the time to pick this fight.
Average. Liberals would have you believe it’s never the time.
Honestly, I don’t care at this point. We’re already past mitigating the worst effects of climate change, and we just elected a climate change denier. Climate change is not linear. It’s exponential. Nothing matters anymore. We just don’t know it yet.
focus locally we don’t need these fucks. focus your local elections.
Weak platform my ass. Half of the US population is simply too brainwashed to even comprehend what Kamala offered them.
Half the population can’t accept basic reality anymore.
Trump lost votes from last election. Kamela lost a fuck ton more. No one became a trump voter, kamela offered nothing to the left and expected support. Do I wish my fellow leftists would of voted for self preservation? Fuck yeah I do. But at the end of the day it’s the candidate at fault. And Kamala did everything in her fucking power to lose the left vote. It’s the same every god damn time with the Democrats. You want something to focus your anger at? Focus it at the party fighting trump 2024 with Trump’s 2020 border wall, military, immigration ass policies.
I doubt very much it was leftists refusing to vote for a black woman liberal against a fascist when those 15 million turned out for an old white man liberal.
Other then not Trump (a fair offer to be honest) what did she offer voters? She seemed to run on a status quo platform.
