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    break even?
    makes it sound like like they’re talking to investors not residents.

    i dread to think how their “anslysis” works.

    cant bear to do any more than skim this article though.

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      I’m not sure I quite understand what that means how would they even know if I’ve broken even or not?

      I own my house but the only way I would know if I’d “broken even” was to constantly get it evaluated. Also is their analysis assuming that I’m going to do improvements or not?

      Because you can buy a house, own it for 6 months and sell it again for a profit, and you can do that if you do renovations. Equally you can buy a house own it for 5 years and sell it and make a loss because you’ve not done any maintenance or renovations in that time.

      I know for a fact the person I bought the house of hardly made any money on the sale because the roof has a giant hole in it. Obviously that brings the price down.

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        assumptions for closing costs, agent fees at the time of sale, home maintenance costs and interest payments

        Break even being your house has increased in value by the amount you’ve spent on those expenses.

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            Not if I understand the phrase correctly. The house may be valued more than what is remaining on your loan, but you’ve spent a lot of money closing the house. So if you sold before the 13 years you would be able to pay off your loan but you would have lost money.

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        Based on the actual Zillow report, it’s just based on home values across the board in different regions. So, these are averages. Of course, if you make more improvements and stuff, your result would vary.

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      My house is an investment in the sense that I’m putting money into a giant hole as opposed to an infinite hole like renting. But no, I don’t view it like I would a stock.

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      Back in the 50s to 70 we teeated hoises more like food. No one bought up all tge bread at a grocery store in hopes of selling letter at a high profit. During this time houses inflated mostly along side wages.

      The the dark times came. The risr of the secondary real estate market ment people couldcquickly trade mortgages* like stock. This decoupled house prices from wages and turn te whole 2nd market into a new stock market

      *technically they are not mortgages but mortgage back securities

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    I got an email yesterday telling me times have never been better to refinance my home. They swore that they could get me a number that was more than double my current rate.

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      I chuckle evily whenever I get a call from my mortgage company asking me if I’m happy with my mortgage. At 2.25% darn right I’m happy being below the current risk free rate of return.

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      Never been better for banks maybe. I refinanced during the pandemic and went from a 30 year to a 15 and barely changed my monthly payment.

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        That’s normal. You either cut years or cut monthly payment. Very rarely both unless rates are actively dropping.

        A 15 yr saves you six figures over a 30 yr iirc so congrats!

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        I mean they are literally just taking your money and telling everyone it’s a good thing. Fucking wild man. My buddy has a second property that went up from $1700 a month to $2700. Insane. That some private entity can one day decide people have too much money and just literally take it.

        And capitalism is the way???

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          There seems to be a lot of context missing because this does not make sense. A private entity has no say in what you pay after you purchase a property. Unless there is a private entity doing tax assessments. Which I’m hoping would be extremely unusual but I’m only familiar with the process in my area.

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            Probably the payment went up because of the taxes or insurance. Or maybe they didn’t have an escrow account and didn’t pay taxes or insurance and it was force placed.

            If you have a variable rate it could also go up for that reason. But most people when rates were low had fixed rate mortgages.

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                In the US a fixed rate does not expire. At the end the loan has been repaid. I do not know of they are in the US.

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                  How does that work? You take a loan, negotiate a rate (say 3%) upfront, and you have this rate as long as the loan is not payed?

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        I’m not saying he’s right, but Zillow started buying a ton of properties during the pandemic for significantly more than they were really worth in the hopes of flipping them for even more money.

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          Zillow over payed for houses, then couldn’t sell them as quickly as expected because the COVID housing market took a down turn, and so they sold them at a loss, lost millions of dollars, and closed the house buying business. They also made plenty of low offers or under-payed for houses at times. They were trying to break even on home value on the hole, but couldn’t reign in the wild swings of gains and losses. Their entire business model was based on the seller fees, not on the house value.

          In any case, they closed that business in 2021, and has since sold the rest of their inventory.

          I don’t see how that would have a lasting effect on housing prices though. I’d attribute it more to a housing shortage due to people buying up real estate, and keeping it as rentals. Even when operating, Zillow aimed to resell houses within 3 months, not hold on to them as investments.

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          “That’s what one real-estate agent claims in a video that went viral on the social-media platform TikTok”

          Hardly a compelling source.

          " he’s suggesting that companies such as Zillow are using the data they glean from people’s perusal of home listings on their sites to make decisions about which houses to buy as iBuyers."

          Based on what exactly? Zillow used publicly available information about houses, just like everyone else does. Zillow traffic patterns had nothing to do with it and really wouldn’t even be useful for that. Buying decisions were based on home value and forecasted ability to resell, not derived interest based on page views.

          “Gotcher later argues that the company will buy 30 homes at one price, and then purchase a 31st home at a higher price. “What that just did is create a new comp,””

          False. Zillow literally excluded houses that it bought from its comps to avoid that bias. I know because I wrote that code.

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            This reminds me of people who insisted that buyers were the fault of the 2008 crash when I know for a fact it was the fault of developers because I saw it begin happening in 2005

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      Was about to say. Why kind of not 30 year fixed loans are they offering now?

      Even paying an extra 1/4 of my mortgage monthly only reduces it to like 22 years vs 30 lol.

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        It isn’t the amount of time it takes to pay off the house. It is the time it takes not to loose money on selling a house. The number was about 5 years when I purchased my home. You take the selling price of your home subtract the mortgage, taxes, and realtor fees. It now takes 13 years before you can sell your house and break even. This just makes investing in homes worse. It also makes buying a home more risky and inflexible.

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      Too many companies with deep pockets buying everything up to rent and then never selling. Once a company buys it, it’s pretty much off the market forever unless that company goes bankrupt but then they either get a bailout or another company buys that one for cheap.

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      It never will. If it so much as dips, the ultra wealthy will buy up everything they can find, inflating it once again.

      Regulations could stop it easily, but profits are apparently more important.

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      Along with what the other comment said, all the people that are buying that aren’t corporations can actually afford the house they’re buying largely due to the WFH change so they all moved out of cities with their large salaries and moved to low cost of living places, took all the affordable housing and since there’s no economic collapse they will continue to be ok (thankfully I guess?) so there won’t be a housing crisis other than the unaffordability crisis which isn’t a crisis to capitalists it’s just a feature of their market based system.

      The solution “the market” chose was neofeudalism… Can’t buy, only rent. “I take your income forever and continuously raise the rent until you can’t afford it and then the next schmuck moves in. Where you go, who cares? Not my problem.” Lovely society we have…

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      Why would it crash?

      There’s near limitless demand and deliberately limited supply. Any dips will come from lack of affordability on lending as interest rates rise, but you’re talking hyperinflation for an actual crash.

      So the house prices might drop by 20%, but you’ll be able to borrow 20% less. So if you’re fucked before any price drops, you’re still fucked afterwards.

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      I don’t think it will burst. It’ll just slowly deflate as new houses come onto the market and demand eases. The main problem (at least where I live) is that there just aren’t enough houses being built. I don’t think we’ll see a sharp price drop anytime soon because there are so many people waiting to buy.

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        The problem tends to be that houses are being built but they’re not the right houses. They’re all really expensive houses, there’s nothing for first time buyers.

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          So true. Where I am, a podunk town in the deep south, most of the homes being built are 4 bed, 1800sf+. The ‘starter’ homes with 3 beds, 1200sf are still like $185k which is ridiculous compared to what people make around here.

          Even building condominiums would be an improvement. Personally, I hate condos (because I own one) but at least it gives people the chance to own something.

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            I know you said compared to what people make, but I would kill to see a starter house for under 200k… Where I am (not NYC not Cali) the cheapest is 300k for a twice burned down glorified shed in a flood zone and in the worst parts of town. It’s absofuckinglutley insane…

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        You may be right. I saw an article about a year ago that said the only way they saw out of the housing crisis was to build like crazy. And that makes sense but if the economy takes a nosedive then the buying may stop which could cause a crash. No one can predict the future, but markets do fall apart sometimes.